• Nate Cox
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    The easiest way to see if it’s OK is to swap out “men” with any other protected characteristic. If, having done that it suddenly becomes problematic, it was always so and they should’ve known better.

    No. You are making an equivalence argument that misses the reality of power dynamics and the context of like centuries of documented social oppression.

    Edit: Fuck I didn’t see erin beat me to it.

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      No, it’s not an equivalence argument. I didn’t say they were equally wrong or the same thing. Also, nether power dynamics nor oppression make those things right.

      You’re telling me that you see no problem with black people saying the same about all white people then?

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        Yes, I see no problem with black people saying the same about white people; because white people have a manufactured generational power gap supporting them which is designed around keeping black people poor, underrepresented, and under served in their communities.

        Much the same way as how men have manufactured a generational power gap supporting them which is designed around keeping women underrepresented.

        Just because it sucks for me personally doesn’t mean it’s an invalid sentiment.

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          But I didn’t manufacture that and neither did you. It also, intentionally, ignores every single other intersection a white person could have.

          Don’t worry, the sentiment invalidates itself. That kind of backwards bougouise feminism died in the 80s and should’ve stayed that way.

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            If you’re a white male, and I think I can safely assume that you are from your comments in this thread, you are the direct beneficiary of a system that has propped you up over literally everyone else. Understanding that system, and your role in it, is critical to trying to finally tear it down to make room for a fair and equitable one.

            I didn’t manufacture the system, but I acknowledge it and all I can do now is continue to undermine it by pointing it out constantly.

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              It’s absolutely right to criticise the system that provides dividends for white people; for men; for straight, cis, able, neurotypical, tall, pretty people; and so on and so on… But even though I don’t fit into all those boxes, I don’t think that gives me the right to attack people that do.

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                9 minutes ago

                The only person in this entire topic who could remotely be conceived as being attacked is the original poster of that twitter comment… who, if you look at his actual post history, absolutely deserves to be mocked for it.