yeah i’m in my 30s and i get routinely carded at events and people place me in my late 20s still.
a lot of it is genes, but i also: have a good skin care routine, use sunscreen every day, rarely drink alcohol, and use nicotine rarely. those are big factors that shouldn’t be discounted.
Does nicotine specifically cause skin damage? Obviously smoking tobacco does, but I’m not sure it’s necessarily the nicotine component that causes the skin damage. There’s thousands of chemicals in tobacco beyond nicotine and I haven’t yet seen a study that shows that nicotine in isolation impacts skin condition.
inhaling carcinogenic smoke to get nicotine would age you more, but nicotine itself also has adverse effects by constricting blood vessels, which would affect how much oxygen and nutrients are able to reach the dermal layer. this would also affect hair follicles.
Thanks four the sources. So there’s evidence that nicotine impacts blood vessels, but not yet that that impacts skin condition? That makes sense, nicotine use in isolation hasn’t been around all that long yet. As I mentioned, that specific link doesn’t appear to have been studied yet to the best of my knowledge, but I don’t have access to journalistic databases that I used to.
nicotine patches and gum have been around for quite awhile, and the blood vessel constriction is a fact, and therefore, it will affect skin/hair health.
it’s just to what degree. clearly, it’s more with analog cigarettes where you’re sucking on literal smoke.
I assume you mean less and yeah, that would make sense on the face of it. It just seems as though there’s no empirical evidence that nicotine specifically causes skin damage - only evidence that it causes blood vessel constriction. Do you have a source that shows a causal relationship from constricting blood vessels to poor skin health? That again would make sense to me, but I just don’t like to base my positions on assumptions - I’m a raw data sort of person.
There’s definitely no world where nicotine is harmless - it causes very clear harms beyond simple addiction that we’ve known for some time - but it’s important to be accurate around how much safer nicotine is in its other forms, particularly as you mentioned that it’s a necessary medicinal quit-smoking aid compound.
If vaping nicotine is the equivalent of five minutes of sun exposure per day without sunscreen, that’s a tolerable risk. If it causes anywhere near 50% of the damage that cigarettes cause, that’s a serious issue.
and yea, vasoconstriction is vasoconstriction and we know nicotine (among other stimulants) causes it, and therefore, it’s going to reduce blood flow to the skin. reduced blood flow = less oxygen/nutrients. over time, this can slow down the healing/regeneration process of the skin, which would lead to a more aged appearance. this also effects hair follicles.
there’s not much else to prove here; it’s cause and effect.
It’s funny to me that this works for both types of HRT; I’m a trans guy in my mid 30s and still occasionally get carded when I buy alcohol. I was hoping HRT would make me look my age, but 15ish years on and it hasn’t happened yet. And might not ever, because my dad looked decades younger than he was up until his death. Good problems to have, I guess?
It’s great, because a lot of other trans people are also reliving their younger years that they missed out on lol, so you have a lot of opportunities for fun stuff with other trans people!
HRT really is incredible.
Okay but it actually is. I look younger at 29 and on my 3rd year of HRT than I did when I was 24.
yeah i’m in my 30s and i get routinely carded at events and people place me in my late 20s still.
a lot of it is genes, but i also: have a good skin care routine, use sunscreen every day, rarely drink alcohol, and use nicotine rarely. those are big factors that shouldn’t be discounted.
Does nicotine specifically cause skin damage? Obviously smoking tobacco does, but I’m not sure it’s necessarily the nicotine component that causes the skin damage. There’s thousands of chemicals in tobacco beyond nicotine and I haven’t yet seen a study that shows that nicotine in isolation impacts skin condition.
inhaling carcinogenic smoke to get nicotine would age you more, but nicotine itself also has adverse effects by constricting blood vessels, which would affect how much oxygen and nutrients are able to reach the dermal layer. this would also affect hair follicles.
here’s some decent sources for more reading:
E-cigarettes containing nicotine cause blood clotting and make small blood vessels less adaptable
NIH-funded studies show damaging effects of vaping, smoking on blood vessels
it’s certainly possible that the ecigarettes used in the testing here may have altered the results, but it’s not looking pretty.
Thanks four the sources. So there’s evidence that nicotine impacts blood vessels, but not yet that that impacts skin condition? That makes sense, nicotine use in isolation hasn’t been around all that long yet. As I mentioned, that specific link doesn’t appear to have been studied yet to the best of my knowledge, but I don’t have access to journalistic databases that I used to.
well, not quite, but you have the gist.
nicotine patches and gum have been around for quite awhile, and the blood vessel constriction is a fact, and therefore, it will affect skin/hair health.
it’s just to what degree. clearly, it’s more with analog cigarettes where you’re sucking on literal smoke.
I assume you mean less and yeah, that would make sense on the face of it. It just seems as though there’s no empirical evidence that nicotine specifically causes skin damage - only evidence that it causes blood vessel constriction. Do you have a source that shows a causal relationship from constricting blood vessels to poor skin health? That again would make sense to me, but I just don’t like to base my positions on assumptions - I’m a raw data sort of person.
There’s definitely no world where nicotine is harmless - it causes very clear harms beyond simple addiction that we’ve known for some time - but it’s important to be accurate around how much safer nicotine is in its other forms, particularly as you mentioned that it’s a necessary medicinal quit-smoking aid compound.
If vaping nicotine is the equivalent of five minutes of sun exposure per day without sunscreen, that’s a tolerable risk. If it causes anywhere near 50% of the damage that cigarettes cause, that’s a serious issue.
right.
and yea, vasoconstriction is vasoconstriction and we know nicotine (among other stimulants) causes it, and therefore, it’s going to reduce blood flow to the skin. reduced blood flow = less oxygen/nutrients. over time, this can slow down the healing/regeneration process of the skin, which would lead to a more aged appearance. this also effects hair follicles.
there’s not much else to prove here; it’s cause and effect.
You using good ole sunscreen (chemical) or the newfangled stuff (physical)? Sad to hear the former carries risks.
But the physical can’t be convenient… sigh, convenience :)
i use both, but i never really think about it unless my skin suddenly dislikes it and revolts.
so, yea, convenience wins.
I think you mean mineral
That’s what I hear!
It’s funny to me that this works for both types of HRT; I’m a trans guy in my mid 30s and still occasionally get carded when I buy alcohol. I was hoping HRT would make me look my age, but 15ish years on and it hasn’t happened yet. And might not ever, because my dad looked decades younger than he was up until his death. Good problems to have, I guess?
29 pre-hrt here. I hope it will be as magic as you say.
Gotta relive all the years I missed to dysphora; looking a bit youmger couldn’t hurt -
It’s great, because a lot of other trans people are also reliving their younger years that they missed out on lol, so you have a lot of opportunities for fun stuff with other trans people!
Yeah I sometimes feel like a teenager. Except I also have adult money and my own apartment.