• hjjanger@lemmy.world
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    Congratulations to a partnerships success coming from Google’s payment being Firefox’s main source of income…

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        This tbh. I know Mozilla has been up to some questionable things lately but I only just got a bunch of my friends to finally ditch Chrome.

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        There is no Firefox without people’s desire for privacy. There is no sufficient privacy without people removing the diseased fingerprint of multiple big companies.

        There is no possibility of a big browser surviving, without caving to big companies, in the artificially hostile web created by Google’s monopoly.

        And that last one is fundamentally unfair, beyond any accusation of “Derivative!” anyone can make.

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          I actually switched back to Firefox (from chrome) about 5 or 6 years ago because I liked the interface more. And I still like the Firefox design decisions more than what chrome is doing.

          Privacy is nice too but people come to Firefox for lots of reasons.

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    You might want to keep looking for better friends. Firefox recently got busted tracking users without their consent

    https://noyb.eu/en/firefox-tracks-you-privacy-preserving-feature

    With a recent Firefox update, Mozilla seems to have taken a leaf out of Google’s playbook: without directly telling its users, the company has secretly enabled a so-called “Privacy Preserving Attribution” (PPA) feature. Similar to Google’s (failed) Privacy Sandbox, this turned the browser into a tracking tool for websites.

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      What else are you going to use honestly. I use Librewolf but that still is Firefox based.

      It is funny to me that they call targeted advertising “privacy preserving”

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      Y’all can downvote this person but they aren’t necessarily wrong. Unfortunately, it seems you have to pick the poison you know in the browser space or take a risk with something else. And something else is usually just one of those original poisons wearing a different label. That said, there are some projects that tend to be of better form than others. Consider the Mullvad Browser and Librewolf. Those two are built on Firefox but are “fixed” enough to mitigate the crap Firefox has done. For Android, I believe Mull browser is the best one can get right now, it’s like a mobile Arkenfox.

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        The story is an overblown nothingburger and would make Firefox still the massively better choice. This is just agenda pushing at this point. But hey, keep using Chrome if you think they preserve your privacy and the web in a better way. No one is forcing you to use a Firefox based browser.

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      Well, when there’s only really 2 friends available, and the other options are just those guys in different hats…

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          You don’t know. Webkit is the older brother of Blink (the engine in Chrome). They’re not different enough to count as separate.

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            Fair point. I just thought the image of safari standing alone in a corner was a funny one. Since I never hear anyone complain about it, but I don’t see anyone stan it either.

            Edit: complaints other than it being the mandated engine for iOS.

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          Yeah it’s a pretty shite situation all around. Will be interesting to follow the US DOJ ruling on the split-up of Google.

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    If you haven’t used Firefox in 3+ years, its improved a lot. For 99% of people its interchangeable with Chrome except for being in the Google ecosystem.

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      no. everytime its more shit. slap AI or autotranslate on it while no user hat that top prioritised. this shit stupid search in the middle that takes your cusor to magicbar or what that crap is called. pocket…fuck it. it takes longer to debloat firefox than finding an alternative. shit default search, shit ceo… moz has become 99% worse. TB was so good it had to go to keep the bar super low for future moz releases. devs are the worst in how they handled feature request while taking money from google.

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        How come you don’t have a usename? Or is it a bug on my side?

        BTW, I’m super happy with translation and AI in ff. I guess not every users wants the same, especially for those with english as first langage.

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          name is using non latin characters, so id just imagine youre using an app or browser that doesnt support the character codes for it

        • ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ@lemm.ee
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          well either you use it and thats fine eventhough much culture gets lost in translation. or you dont use it at all like me and is just more bloat like shitty pocket. overall i want to chose what to install. my ff profile is so old with every update the first start after update takes ages…and mostly because adfox added stuff i didnt ask for. why is moz so stupid? other plattforms (osx, atlassian jira, slack) allow me to add functionality through their stores but keep the original product clean. adfox goes like slapping shit on everything. lets add AI to improve my searches…ah, why not use ai to do the entire browsing? and thats how idiocracy started.

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            I’m as frustrated as the next person here when it comes to how AI is crammed into products, but translation between languages is one of the few things AI can be good at. A lot gets lost in translation, sure, but everything is lost when it’s not translated at all. Are we expected to have official translaters for everything? I use it most often translating explanations of how to fix a chunk of code. Someone else solved the problem except that it’s not in a language I understand, one quick AI translation and I can understand what their solution was and deploy it myself. I couldn’t do that ten years ago. Most AI is hot garbage but I find translation AI very useful.

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    The feature isn’t even mentioned in Mozilla’s data protection policies. The only way for users to turn it off is to find the opt-out function in a sub-menu of the browser’s settings.

    Irritatingly, a Mozilla developer justifies the move by claiming that users can’t make an informed decision.

    This is all IN ADDITION to them turning on DoH (DNS over HTTP) without permission which nullifies ad blockers.

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      DNS over HTTPS is very good for privacy and security. Even Librewolf turns it on.

      Putting ads in Firefox is bad in so many ways but encrypted DNS is good as it keeps DNS actually secure.

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        Not if you leave it at default, which is cloudflare, and is the only option. Fuckers MITM-ed half the internet, and now they’re after DNS. I’d rather trust my ISP and NSA more than them.

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          There are a relatively small amount of DNS over HTTPS servers. It makes sense they would go with a bigger company. Also having it on by default bypasses a lot of censorship.

          I don’t like Cloudflare and I personally switched it to quad9

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      We have heard this a million times. The feature you’re referencing is a net positive for privacy and yet the zealots just cannot accept that fact.

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        First of all, every would is true. Nanana boo-boo is not a rebuttal.

        Second, if it is so awesome for people and not about tracking, why do you sneak in changes that circumvent anti tracking without telling people about it and burying the change in submenus?

        How many people regularly read submenus?

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      Seriously! Even back in 2007 I was all “chrome is faster? Great, now Firefox has some competition” I never switched to chrome. You couldn’t pay me to use that privacy nightmare.

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        I used it when it was new and google didn’t seem so bad. Google even sent me one of the original Chromebook prototypes (CH-47) before they launched as a product for sale. i don’t know when it started to become clear that google was going evil, but around 10 years ago it was really obvious where things were headed.

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          i don’t know when it started to become clear that google was going evil

          It was around the time they removed “Don’t be evil” from their official philosophy.

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      I moved to Chrome after years of using Firefox when FireFox was having tons of issues that Chrome resolved.

      Most of them are fixed now. Though it still has issues with selection boxes on some websites forcing me to use Chrome again for them. At least they’re government sites, mostly, so there’s no ads needing to be blocked… Yet.

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      I find that interesting because I hear it a lot, yet I’ve never had a problem with it. I use all the usual adblocks and whatnot, but it runs fine.

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      When was the last time you tried it? There have been hiccups a few times where Ublock needed to push an update, but (at least on my end) those issues have tended to resolve quickly

      If YouTube is your only issue you could also just keep chrome around as a YouTube player and use Firefox for everything else - unless space is exceptionally tight on your system, a second browser isn’t the worst thing to have on hand :)

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      This is super weird to hear. YouTube is way BETTER on FF for me. Videos load/play exactly as expected and my ad blocker still kills all the junk that I would have to put up with on Chrome.

      I haven’t figured out how to totally remove the stupid chat window on the right side of videos, but that’s true regardless of browser.

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      Not true. I haven’t used YouTube on anything but Firefox for a couple of years now. It’s 100% fine.

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      I don’t know why the downvotes. Sadly some webpages are made only thinking in chromium, thus working worse in other browsers.

      I have found the same issue with youtube. I still use firefox, but youtube under firefox works worse than under chrome or other chromium based browsers. Probably it’s google fault this, I’m certain they do it on purpose.

      Also clarify that I use an old computer that struggles a bit in general, so newer hardware may have not experience this, maybe?

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        Sadly some webpages are made only thinking in chromium, thus working worse in other browsers.

        YT absolutely works in Firefox. I use it daily for many many years. The only thing that annoys me is that the fullscreen toggle is kinda sluggish but that’s not anything I’d use Chrome for.

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          I don’t use chrome over that. I prefer using tube archivist opened on firefox.

          But on my low spec computer for instance using YouTube on any Gecko based browser I get stutter audio over bluetooth, that does not happen on chromium based browsers.

          As the original commenter said that makes youtube unusable for me in firefox, but I still use alternatives to chrome. Other chromium based browsers or tube archivist is my choice.

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    I need the quick and easy profile switching management in Firefox like I have in Chrome and I’ll never look back.

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    It is a shame that Firefox won’t support WebSerial. That is the only reason I have to use Chrome.

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    Really enjoying Zen browser this week, may be my new favorite. The tab handling is VERY weird at first though.