It won’t improve anything. Any progress that could be made will be undone by the massive carbon emissions from war. At best it might slow climate change slightly.
We should demand more, not be grateful for the scraps we get.
I’d like you to provide evidence for your claim that it would be entirely undone.
Also, even if you’re right, you do understand that less carbon emissions are better than more carbon emissions, right?
Reducing the additional carbon emissions from the war is a good thing and I’m not sure why you don’t think it is. I guess because you can’t accept anything good happens while a bad thing is happening.
Sorry, I can’t. Studies are ongoing, the most recent artcle I can find says that the first 120 days of the conflict alone were greater than the annual emissions of 26 individual countries and territories. When factoring in war infrastructure built by both Israel and Hamas, the total emissions increase to more than those of 36 countries and territories.
Again, that’s just from the first 120 days. I’m sure I can’t just multiply by three to get the past year, and the data isn’t available.
Also that doesn’t even factor in the carbon emissions that will come from rebuilding all of Gaza, because the whole strip is demolished.
And it doesn’t factor in Israel dragging us to WW3. What do you think the climate impacts of that will be?
I only said we should demand more and highlighted the Biden-Harris administration’s fucked up priorities. I’m not asking for a pony, I’m asking that we stop burning fossil fuels to support a genocidal apartheid state. It’s not an unreasonable expectation!
It won’t improve anything. Any progress that could be made will be undone by the massive carbon emissions from war. At best it might slow climate change slightly.
My guess is you said it because you either do not understand or do not accept the concept of mitigation and why mitigation is a good thing.
And slowing climate change gives us more time to fight it.
Are you under the strange impression that it’s just as easy to improve things whether or not harm is being mitigated?
Because I’m pretty sure it’s easier when it is.
Which is why this will improve things. No, not on its own. Nothing is ever improved on its own when it comes to complex systems. You are reducing one of the most complex systems we know about, climate, to simple black-and-white terms.
I’m under the impression that it would be a lot easier to improve things if the billions spent supporting Israel were instead spent on climate change mitigation. That’s not black-and-white, but it’s a clear conflict between the administration’s words and their actions.
It won’t improve anything. Any progress that could be made will be undone by the massive carbon emissions from war. At best it might slow climate change slightly.
We should demand more, not be grateful for the scraps we get.
I’d like you to provide evidence for your claim that it would be entirely undone.
Also, even if you’re right, you do understand that less carbon emissions are better than more carbon emissions, right?
Reducing the additional carbon emissions from the war is a good thing and I’m not sure why you don’t think it is. I guess because you can’t accept anything good happens while a bad thing is happening.
Sorry, I can’t. Studies are ongoing, the most recent artcle I can find says that the first 120 days of the conflict alone were greater than the annual emissions of 26 individual countries and territories. When factoring in war infrastructure built by both Israel and Hamas, the total emissions increase to more than those of 36 countries and territories.
Again, that’s just from the first 120 days. I’m sure I can’t just multiply by three to get the past year, and the data isn’t available.
Also that doesn’t even factor in the carbon emissions that will come from rebuilding all of Gaza, because the whole strip is demolished.
And it doesn’t factor in Israel dragging us to WW3. What do you think the climate impacts of that will be?
I can’t accept that this is the best we can do.
No one said it was the best we can do.
I’m guessing you have heard the phrase, “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.” That’s what you’re doing. You’re not going to get your pony.
I only said we should demand more and highlighted the Biden-Harris administration’s fucked up priorities. I’m not asking for a pony, I’m asking that we stop burning fossil fuels to support a genocidal apartheid state. It’s not an unreasonable expectation!
Nope. That is not what you only said.
You also said this:
My guess is you said it because you either do not understand or do not accept the concept of mitigation and why mitigation is a good thing.
And slowing climate change gives us more time to fight it.
I stand by that. Mitigation doesn’t improve anything, it only makes things bad at a slower rate. Nothing actually gets better.
Are you under the strange impression that it’s just as easy to improve things whether or not harm is being mitigated?
Because I’m pretty sure it’s easier when it is.
Which is why this will improve things. No, not on its own. Nothing is ever improved on its own when it comes to complex systems. You are reducing one of the most complex systems we know about, climate, to simple black-and-white terms.
I’m under the impression that it would be a lot easier to improve things if the billions spent supporting Israel were instead spent on climate change mitigation. That’s not black-and-white, but it’s a clear conflict between the administration’s words and their actions.