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Poor one out for all your LGBTQ+ homies in America, they’re about to be hunted for sport.
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I am so sick about the Gaza rhetoric and that’s why we lost. Bitch less then 10% of voters give a shit about Gaza. 40% of voters have major concerns about the economy. The next highest concern was immigration at 20%. Foreign policy was a measly 8% of concern for voters.
This goes for people blaming Jill Stein voters. Kamala got wrecked in this election. Even if you add all 3rd party votes to her she still loses.
Hey, at least the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is about to be finally resolved in our lifetime.
Hey, chasing republican votes didn’t work this time, but I’m sure it will next time. Definitely don’t try appealing to the left.
Do you think we’ll get primaries back? And not the fake ones we’re use to.
No way, the rabble might ask for someone that doesn’t allow Nancy Pelosi to openly do insider trading.
Then the rabble wont show up for elections. No better way to drain the energy out of a voter base then to make their voices feel unheard.
While I have had criticism of Harris, I’ve never insulated that she(or Biden) wasn’t the much, much better option. I have been called a Burniebro on a discord by someone who doesn’t take criticisms very well.
And disabled folks, and veterans, and naturalized citizens…
Look at Michigan. Nobody was going to ignore Gaza into a victory. The memes and posts were warnings, not divisions. When it became clear she wanted to take a path close to Biden most of us even laid off because it was clear it was more harmful to keep going.
But it turns out that asking the relatives of genocide victims to vote for someone who won’t commit to stopping it is not a good campaign strategy. The divide in Michigan is well within the 140,000 strong registered voters in the Arab community.
Take your fucking L like an adult.
It really isn’t leftists’ fault, though. Trump easily won the popular vote and flipped georgia, pennsylvania, and wisconsin from their dem vote in 2020. Low voter turnout/voter suppression are the real culprits - along with dems failing to do almost any of the things that could’ve changed this outcome. Leftist memes did not lose dems the election. Voter apathy and the sheer popularity of fascism did.
If Harris had campaigned on the issues she would have had so many Republican women jump ship. Just look at how many of them voted for abortion in Missouri.
Why do you think the turnout was so low? Millions of idiots were pressuring people to withhold their vote over Palestine in a colossal self-fuck. That is if you assume these people spreading that are really that stupid. Some were, but I think a large percentage were paid trolls. And their campaigning worked. Russia owns the United States now
It can’t possibly be because that’s a real concern. They had to be paid actors. You sound like Infowars after a school shooting.
yeah because cambridge analytica was also a hoax
Are you seriously comparing a fucking genocide to an info op?
Go away, person who purposely helped Trump.
You still don’t get it do you? Blaming the people you need to persuade is not a winning strategy. They aren’t going to magically like you suddenly.
What’s the point in playing nice with somebody who won’t engage in good faith?
America is a lost cause and you’re an example of that
Yeah there are only so many times Biden can go “hey isreal, you’d better stop that genocide or else!” While doing nothing whatsoever and even giving them the weapons to continue the genocide before people go “well they aren’t going to do a damn thing about this”
and that’s why I voted trump! /s
I’m not supporting that idea nor voter apathy. But i can certainly understand why Kamala lost Michigan, Dearborn has the largest muslim population in the country. I can understand why so many people there might be apathetic or uninterested in voting for a party that has put forth no pushback or even plans to stop an ongoing genocide against people of their faith.
Again, Trump will absolutely be far worse by just greenlighting isreal.
Trump will absolutely be far worse by just greenlighting isreal.
Something every human had the means to see coming. They just either didn’t care or plugged their eyes and ears to it.
I’m not disagreeing with you. All I’m saying is that I understand why say a Palistinian American might be adverse to voting for the side actively faning the flames to a genocide including their own family members. I can imagine waking up and being told you should vote for the side that supplied the bombs that exploded half your family and going “why? So the other half can also get bombed? My whole family is going to die either way” and that being their rational for not voting.
Wh vote for the side that didn’t interfere when someone else bombed your family, when you can help elect someone who will encourage them to bomb every living relative too
Do you feel better up on your high horse?
Leftist memes did not lose dems the election. Voter apathy and the sheer popularity of fascism did.
I’m not necessarily attributing blame here, but I’m pretty sure that OP is suggesting that leftist memes helped lead to this apathy. Say what you will, Trump voters were excited for their candidate… somehow, despite the list of reasons not to being far too long to be listed here. But many on the left either were just lukewarm on her, just considered her the lesser of two evils, or were protest voting third party or abstaining for one reason or another, mostly over Palestine. And there were memes galore to make clear to everyone what the general mood was. It doesn’t exactly inspire enthusiasm to those that need that a lot of enthusiasm to even bother (those people are frustrating, btw). I don’t know how much it actually contributed to or propogated the apathy versus how much it just reflected the apathy already there, but a case could be made either way.
They didn’t lead to the apathy - they pointed out the existing apathy would cost Dems the election. It’s like saying the person who said you need to wear a seatbelt caused the wreck.
You’re exactly right about people being excited for Trump and lukewarm on Harris, but that’s entirely on the Democrats for picking the platform and strategy that lost to Trump in 2016.
Harris had a notable and surprising lead when they announced Biden was out - then they changed nothing else. People didn’t just not like the candidate, they didn’t like the policies. They only changed the candidate and thought Trump was a big enough cudgel to bully people into voting even though that demonstrably doesn’t work.
thought Trump was a big enough cudgel to bully people into voting even though that demonstrably doesn’t work.
What kinda ass country is this?
I distinctly remember hearing about unusually high voter turnout.
It just wasn’t blue voters.
You forgot about PISSING AWAY THE EMCUMBANT ADVANTAGE
I was saying that before Joe step down and oh look, I was right. Now I having crippling depression and I need to put myself on suicide watch.
Please don’t kill yourself. We need you for the revolution. Doesn’t matter who you are, what your skills are. If you can hold a gun or make soup, we need you.
Just say the word
Communism?
Do you remember the number on this “incumbent advantage”? The establishment didn’t just switch out Biden on a whim. Biden literally fucked his chances at winning at the debate. You are barking up the wrong tree
Shut the fuck up. When you have advantages you fucking use all of win and ensure the win. We didn’t use all of them and we lost. Simple as so instead of giving your fucking useless opinion to me, go hunker down like everyone else and tell your trans and ltgbq+ “I’m sorry”
Biden was never going to win. He is actively losing his marbles. It was so painfully obvious even Democrats had to accept it.
Yes incumbent advantage is real, but Biden had so many other disadvantages that he’d have never won.
It sucks but it is what it is.
Can I borrow your crystal ball sometime?
Sure, it makes for a great lens. You can use it to read the writing on the wall.
Oh, I misunderstood. I thought what you were saying is that you can somehow magically know all possible realities for sure despite that being impossible. My bad.
It is an advantage useful when it’s not enough to win? Do you not remember the numbers at the time?! For all the pro genocide and ignoring of his base, going on TV and having a senior moment for an hour ended all discussion on the matter. The fact that the internal fighting in its aftermath is proof that Biden did not have the confidence of his base. Harris is the current vice president, if you wanted an incumbent advantage that it’s what you had. And to argue that “burden would have won i told you so!” Is to argue from ignorance. You don’t know, and all evidence pointed to it not being so.
I mean, if they really really really wanted that incumbent advantage, Biden could have stepped out.
That’s the fun thing is WE DONT KNOW AND WONT GET TO FIND OUT ANYMORE. You act like it was all said and over but you don’t actually fucking know. Because if you did you would have the ability to see the future and wouldn’t be carrying on about this topic. But here we are, you not able to see the future and me pointing out that we don’t know until we find out. Well now we lost. Good fucking job.
What i do know is that confidence in Biden was in the shitter. Wile republicans have never had any consideration about trumps mental decline as long as he was their monster, left wing voters are fractional based on attaining left ideals, of which Biden did not achieve. Add on to that where Biden was in Obvious decline, it’s no wonder that there was infighting on his viability. The fact that there was even a discussion means that the incumbency was worth fuck and all.
You should be angry but all evidence points to your “i told you so!” Is incorrect. Trump won the popular vote, end of.
Encumbant advantage? In this economic climate, it’s exactly the opposite. People who are feeling increasingly fed up with a world in which they cannot make ends meet vote against the status quo.
4 years of Trump got people to vote against Trump. 4 years of Biden got people to vote against his VP.
Biden himself would lost even harder than Kamala did.
And where do you buy your crystal ball that proves you right?
Oh? You don’t have one? Then you don’t know and you’re speculating that Biden would have lost. We wouldn’t have known until we knew but now we never will and we all lost. I can’t wait to get hunted down for not being a white Christian man all because
bIdEn WoUlD hAvE lOsT
I’m basing my analysis on the observable trend that incumbents lose when the economy is poor. As well as, y’know, Biden’s abysmal poll numbers after the debate, the reason he dropped out in the first place.
You’re the one who started insisting incumbent advantage would’ve been a thing here, where’s your crystal ball?
Poll numbers:
Every president since we’ve started recording the “what’s your impression of how the president is doing” has a slump in polls. Biden’s slump isn’t even historic. It’s typical, average. Go look at some numbers before you decide to have an opinion.
Emcumbant Advantage:
Please screenshot where I said “Biden would have won”. I won’t wait because I didn’t. I said it was an advantage and when you fight in anything you maximize every advantage you have. You do everything you can to win. It does not garuntee a win but it shores up your odds. The strategy we used was to instead shoot ourselves in the leg and try to gobble to the finish line. So again shut the fuck up until you have a thought actually worth more than the bullshit headlines of whatever fucking rag you are passing off as your opinion you stupid fuck
Hey, I know you don’t know me, but I want you to know that depriving us of what you can bring will only make it worse. I’ve found that I can keep myself alive by living for the people around me. Right now what’s keeping me going is touching base with everyone, seeing how they’re doing, asking them if they’ve made any plans, and telling them about my plans to move forward. Direct action just got a whole lot harder and more dangerous, but giving up now only makes the problem worse. One foot in front of the other, until you get the rhythm, Then follow it. I believe in you.
I appreciate it.
Fortunately I’m recognizing the signs and taking early measures. Trying to find a shrink and decide if I should move.
If you’re able to move and see a Dr you’re doing better than most.
I was suicidal for other reasons and found my way out of the hole I dug myself in. I honestly hope you can too. It sounds like you’re a passionate person and you can place that passion somewhere that does good for the world.
Damn I didn’t know 50 leftist shitposters on the internet had so much power that they can flip an election. Maybe they should try to do what they ask if they want to win
Are you talking about Lemmy alone? These people are EVERYWHERE over the Internet, TikTok especially. Also the reach for a post is a lot larger than the likes it gets, like upwards of 10x.
I honestly think it hurts worse now than it would have if he won in 2020, since we were seemingly so close to getting away from this dirtbag.
Well silver lining I guess is that he can’t be elected again unless he gets it changed somehow
Here’s hoping
Trump enablers in leftist spaces are just agent provocateurs. There’s always some infiltrators
Genocide-enabling establishment cultist can’t figure out why they lost, but sure everyone who tried to get them to see the end result if they didn’t change their tune are the the agent provocateurs.
The one enabling genocide now will be Turbo Genocide Donny and it will be 10 times worse.
Or did you think it would stop when Trump won? Are you this naive?
The only one being naive here is you. I don’t think it will stop cause Trump won. It will likely get worse. Democrats could have stopped it though, but their “we’re terrible, but the other guy is worse” messaging isn’t as effective as “no more genocide.”
Two days ago i said she could have lied and won and someone got upset.
For them supporting genocide and ignoring people protest and not even speaking to them is better than lying to secure vote to stop what they call a “threat to democracy”
I also pointed out that she has different ads in Michigan and PA, and someone refused to watch the video because it was on Fox news.
These people lives in the cloud, everyone is a russian bot or troll. They never blame the Democrats that insisted on Biden even after the debate, where they could have allowed Harris to plan better long time ago.
My best is when I see Bill Clinton supporting harries in a campaign about Women Abortion Right. Like at least be a shame of someone associated with Epstein and caught lying in office.
Agreed 100%. It’s the refusal to self-reflect and attacks on anyone who dare to question that turns people away. Not only is Bill Clinton a terrible campaign messenger, but he was chastising Arab-americans in Michigan for being against genocide. Just like Obama was blaming black men.
In other words, the people that refused to cater to the cultic cognitive dissonance are to blame and Democrats will learn nothing.
help
Honest question and I’m being 100% sincere. Did he genocide them last time he was elected? Can you send me more info on what he’s planning to do this election?
Or is it mostly just enabling his voters to hate lgtb people?
Trump supports the genicide of Gaza
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/25/trump-netanyahu-support-gaza-lebanon/
Yes I’m aware of that. OP made it sound like they were more concerned about LGBT genocide
Ah I missed that comment the first time.
Do you see enough votes from any independent to get Kamala elected? Stop blaming the voters. She didn’t campaign.
when “the candidate who wants start a fresh, new genocide” wins the popular vote, it is the perfect time to blame the voters
And I don’t suppose it could be because people are not happy with joblessness and inflation?
I believe that’s a huge part of it, but it sucks that those people just want trump to print more money
And the cycle continues…
A lack of accountability has been a recurring theme here. The orange man will take no accountability for attempting an insurrection, or for the hatred he encourages. Voters will not take accountability for electing a fascist.
Nor will the legal system take responsibility for not doing anything about Trump before he pardoned himself.
Nor will the Democrats take any responsibility when Trump steamrolls over their constituents.
Democrats will take no responsibility for why they lost.
MFW I forget that people can choose not to vote at all
Did she campaign? Did she run a good campaign? Did she go into the black barber shops, like Trump did? Did she go into the McDonald’s, like Trump did? Did she go out to meet the people, like Trump did?
She tried scaring people away from Trump and it didn’t work. They want an economy that’s doing better than this. They want jobs. They want their life to be better.
That’s how you win elections. You tell people you know how to make their lives better. You don’t tell them the other guy is going to make their life worse. That doesn’t win an election. It never has.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13289142
It gets downvotes, but it’s still not wrong.
The thing is that she shouldn’t have needed to campaign. Trump is a big enough piece of work that he shouldn’t have been an option in anyones mind.
Putins propaganda machine made him win. The guy didn’t even have a campaign program for fucks sake.
That’s never the case. You always need to campaign.
Not AGAINST something.
FOR something.
It is called democracy when you can’t force people to do what you want.
2 million registered PA voters did not vote.
How does that compare to past elections?
