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- it’s an addon (and one you have to go get), not baked-in.
- limited to queries about content you’re currently looking at.
(it’s not a general ‘search’ or queries engine) - llm is hosted by mozilla, not a third party.
- session histories are not retained or shared, not even with mistral (it’s their model).
- user interactions are not used to train.
Thanks for the summary. So it still sends the data to a server, even if it’s Mozillas. Then I still can’t use it for work, because the data is private and they wouldn’t appreciate me sending their data toozilla.
In such scenario you need to host your choice of LLM locally.
does the addon support usage like that?
No, but the “AI” option available on Mozilla Lab tab in settings allows you to integrate with self-hosted LLM.
I have this setup running for a while now.
Which model you are running? Who much ram?
Technically it’s a server operated by Google, leased by Mozilla. Mistral 7b could technically work locally, if Mozilla cared about doing such a thing.
I guess you can basically use the built-in AI chatbot functionality Mozilla rushed out the door, enable a secret setting, and use Mistral locally, but what a missed opportunity from the Privacy Browser Company
That’s really cool to see. A trusted hosted open source model is really missing in the ecosystem to me. I really like the idea of web centric integration too.
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no, i don’t want to meet orbit, thank you very much.
No thanks, I’ll pass.
Firefox, tell your creepy little friend he can get the fuck off my property!
It’s an add-on, not something baked-in the browser. It’s not on your property at the first place, unless you choose to install it 🙂
For now, but one day Firefox will try sneak him into my house and hide him in a cupboard untill squatters rights kick in.
Even they choose to do so in future, usually there always is a about:config entry to disable it.
I can’t wait for Firefox to Starr putting product recommendations on all web pages
I will try it. People are too negative about mozilla. They are a hundred times better than Google and we need them to survive.
Yes we need them to survive,
yes they’re better than Google.But no we’re not being too negative/hard on them!
Lately Mozilla has been pulling a lot of anti-consumer yet pro shareholder shit.
AI is a perfect example of that,
unwanted by the majority of their community, yet still forced upon us by shareholders, for now through an optional addon, which appears to be a foot in the door, which can quickly grow into a baked in addon which ships with FireFox by default.Sources:
- Mozilla asked the community their opinion about AI, the general response was NO:
https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/share-your-feedback-on-the-ai-services-experiment-in-nightly/td-p/60519 - Mozilla pushed a poll, tailored by shareholders in such a way that the results would appear that we still want AI:
https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/100
Yet in the Lemmy comments about the poll,
again you can see that the general consensus is no:
https://lemmy.one/post/21332325
They blatantly ignore their community,
and for that we’re allowed to be angry with them.Yup.
DuckDuckGo’s search engine introduced AI assist and an AI chat as opt-out features, which it repeatedly re-enables at random, with no ability to disable it permanently, even though we’ve been able for years to set a bookmarklet to make all our other DDG settings persist.
Users are very unhappy, with requests for a way to permanently disable AI features ignored, receiving only patronising responses from DDG.
No matter, DDG’s utility for searching has deteriorated these past years so severely, even relative to the deterioration we’ve seen with many other options, that I wonder will it survive.
It is always unfortunate when a recommended privacy tool shifts away from privacy, but several doing so all at once is alarming.
You may self-host SearxNG (via Docker) and avoid direct interaction with search engines - be it google, bing, Brave or DDG.
SearxNG will act as a privacy front-end for you.
Have tried out SearxNG without self-hosting, via different instances, but had to abandon it as it is way, way beyond my mental capabilities to get it to work.
I doubt I could manage to self-host, having looked into Docker for some other matter.
Using Mojeek currently, which isn’t great but not too terrible.
You can send us in results via the submit feedback button or contact page when they’re not-so good, if you’d like to help
- Mozilla asked the community their opinion about AI, the general response was NO:
The bar is in hell
I want to point out that by downvoting this, you’re reducing the visibility of the post for other people, therefore making less people informed of the change.
My thoughts exactly.
However, I always found upvotes and downvotes a bit confusing because upvote is almost synonymous with “like” and downvote with “don’t like”. With upvote, that assumption isn’t that problematic but with downvote it is, like in this case where post will have less chance of being seen.
I’m starting to warm up to this stuff. There is a future rapidly hurtling towards us where, if you take the time to read and think for yourself, you will become a genius. It was happening already in some stem fields where people used GUI tools without ever reading what the buttons did, and if you took the time to read the manuals and the underlying methods, you could become vastly more competent than anybody else in your team. This “AI” bullshit is just extending the lazy culture out to every piece of information on the web, where average Joe is already unable to concentrate beyond 140 characters. Those that take the time to learn the fundamentals and read deeply will have vastly superior knowledge of any subject, while the majority will be spoon fed superficial summaries filled with errors and no way of realising.
That was written by an AI, wasn’t it?
If anything brings me around on AI, it’ll be the “kids these days and their dang quill and parchment, the chisel and stone tablet was good enough for me so it should be good enough for everyone” argument.
This is why I don’t use direct Firefox. I use soft forks like Librewolf, Mull and now Fennec
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This is just an add-on BTW. It’s completely up to you to decide if you need this.
For now
After all, why read an article to understand what it says when you can read an AI summary rephrasing the article instead? ;)
Off to a great start… Why read a whole ass article when you can read a headline?
Orbit is accessed directly from the web page or video (select services only) you’re viewing, meaning it works more like Apple Intelligence does in Safari.
Thanks for a reference that my ass is too fucking poor to get
there’s an option to flag the response if it sounds wildly inaccurate:
The bare minimum, given the tech.
When I asked it to say how many times the word ‘orbit’ appeared in the Wikipedia article on orbits it wouldn’t as the page didn’t mention it!
You can literally fucking see “orbit” in the fucking page title and another in fucking bold in the fucking wikipedia screenshot above this bit
Man, I hope this is not the new Pocket.
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the ‘ai chatbot’ in the ‘lab’ is different.
the chatbot is just basically an optional conduit between you and and a third party ai-powered ‘search’/‘chat’ service, so that you can use firefox to access it.
you’re still subject to any rules, policies, costs, account requirements, usage limits, etc. set by those third-parties.
BTW, Lab option works better privacy wise (than Add-on) if you have LLM running locally, IMO.
I appreciate the option to not install it.
Now if only Mozilla could migrate their built-in AI stuff to this optional extension so it doesn’t come pre-installed, that’d be great
The built-in AI staff,you referred to, is nothing but an accelerator to integrate with 3rd-party or self-hosted LLMs. It’s quite similar to choosing a search engine in settings. This feature itself is lightweight and can be disabled in settings if not required.
The built-in AI staff [sic]… is… an accelerator to integrate with 3rd-party or self-hosted LLMs.
Users are only shown Big Tech “3rd-party” options. Mozilla made this choice intentionally.
Since Mozilla is clearly capable of developing an add-on that is not forcefully installed on user’s devices, they should remove the built-in thing that endorses the highly unethical chatbots run by Google, OpenAI, etc.
Users are only shown Big Tech “3rd-party” options. Mozilla made this choice intentionally.
Well, how many users really have LLM local-hosted?
So we agree Mozilla only chose to promote Big Tech options.
