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    Just because authoritarians have run previous communist / socialist states doesn’t mean that capitalism isn’t a terrible system. Do you have healthcare? How about the people you know? I have a good life, but there are homeless people all around me. Is capitalism solving that?

    Read The End of Policing to find out how much money we waste locking people up.

    I’m not for communism, but I’m all about socialism.

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      Plenty of capitalist countries have universal affordable health care systems for their people. Many even manage to have affordable housing. You just have to not be a fundamentalist about it and realize that not every realm of human activity or human need is best served by unrestricted capitalism.

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      Man I’m on the same page 100%, but that’s why I think it’s important to be somewhat clear in rejecting authoritarian, bureaucratic centralism. Authoritarian socialists have used and betrayed libertarian socialists again and again, I don’t see much utility in defending them.

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      They both suck.

      And the fact that all socialist states have been authoritarian is not a coincidence, it’s a feature, and you can blame Lenin for that.

      Marx died before he could complete his work, and it’s Lenin that introduced the theory that people are basically mindless animals that can’t save themselves, so the only way to achieve communism is for them to be “guided” by a vanguard party that is formed and ran with cultish behavior.

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    So we just don’t care about the meaning of words anymore.

    No, Patrick, China is not an authoritarian dictatorship that the US needs to liberate.

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      I get you’re banned now but do you guys actually think you can say these blatant lies and people will believe you?

      Like you might as well be trying to tell us the sky is actually green.

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      It’s okay to disagree, the words used carry a meaning and I’m sorry if that disagrees with you.

      Personally I get indigestion when I eat shellfish (that’s why I don’t go to seafood restaurants((I hope you get the analogy)).

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      Can you freely criticize the government in China? Is the press in China free and independent? Do the Chinese people have free and open access to the Internet? Are you allowed to protest the government in China?

      No, no, no and no. Sounds like it fits the definition of an authoritarian government, despite what said government “officially” says they are.

      I agree the US should stay out of it, but both things can in fact be true.

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        Yes, you’re encouraged to. As much as anywhere else, this is something they could work more on after the fall of the US and EU. To which internet? Yes, yes you are, non violently.

        Also nothing you stated is necessary for an authoritarian government, nor are any of the things you listed exclusive to them. The US doesn’t have a free press or open access to the Internet, for example.

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          Comments like this make me wonder if we’ve got a lot of paid actors over here, or the brainwashing is truly this effective.

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          Why don’t you tell us about what happened on June 4th, 1989?

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          I once had a Chinese website censor the ‘tank’ part of the term ‘tanktop’. And by once, I mean last month. Now, what could that be about? Surely nothing the Chinese government has been trying to sweep under the rug since 1989, right? I mean, it’s ridiculous to think that a website could get in trouble with the Chinese government over something like that, right?

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          Yes, you’re encouraged to. As much as anywhere else, this is something they could work more on after the fall of the US and EU. To which internet? Yes, yes you are, non violently.

          LMAO, no no you cannot, I encourage you to fly to China and find out on any one of those things lolol

          Also nothing you stated is necessary for an authoritarian government

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism

          The US doesn’t have free press or open access to the Internet, for example.

          Are you mixing up China and the US or something? If we didn’t have free and open access to the Internet, how would anyone over here be able to access those wonderful Tankie links y’all love to throw around? That shit would be blocked 100%

          The major media outlet might be owned by just a few conglomerates, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have freedom of the press. Freedom of the press is in reference to the government controlling what the press says or doesn’t say via laws and such