If the performance weakness continues for a week or two, the agency would start recommending decreasing spend with Reddit or directing it to other platforms.

After the blackout, we will be closely monitoring user behavior on Reddit and guide clients when we can unpause,” said Freddy Dabaghi, managing director at Stagwell-backed Crispin Porter Bogusky, which has asked clients to stop campaigns, depending on their client goals.

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    Hey! I’m keeping this as it’s sharing knowledge with new users from Reddit. However, in future please find another community to post this on, because it is not related to the lemmy.world instance specifically.

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    Honestly, regardless of what happens, I have no plans to go back. Lemmy’s been a refreshing breath of fresh air.

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      Same. It’s really struck me both how little I miss it and how much I like the communities here. There’s a much friendlier vibe.

      And for the most part, aside from the bullshit threads where it’s encouraged and expected, the comments are a lot more ‘high-effort,’ which is nice. That’s something that I would expect to tend to naturally go down with the lowest common denominator as user count increases, but we’ll see.

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        Yeah, I think the kind of people to drop reddit over this are going to be more my kind of people, if that makes sense.

        Conversation seems deeper, less dominated by repeated jokes.

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          also you don’t have a karma system homogenizing behavior by making redditors constantly addicted to upcummies

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              At least the web UI doesn’t show me my net score if there’s one. And no one seems to care about karma or having a minimum karma to post like on Reddit. It was frustrating making a new account just to post on certain subs and having my stuff removed preemptively. I just hope to never experience that ever again.

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                Even on reddit i didn’t care about karma, just posted and commented when i felt like it and where i felt like it.

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          This is a really good point, and one of the reasons I’m happy to make my new online home here.

          The type of people who act like this is nothing, or worse, act like there’s nothing that can be done and we should just roll over, won’t have gone through the trouble to come here. And yeah, I’m with you, they can all hang out and circlejerk the same jokes over and over along with the bots.

          Best of both worlds, and we’re all happy. A bit of positive selection bias.

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      I also like it more and more, especially since more communities are popping up and they get more populated.

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      It really is, there isn’t as much content as reddit and that may or may not change but the lack of people acting like they are better than everyone makes it well worth it. I deleted the app and won’t go back

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      I wanted to leave for such a long time, but the alternatives weren’t active enough.

      If enough people stick around, yeah, I’m never going back.

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      I’m really hoping the federated nature will make advertising harder. That’s what really started making Reddit suck.

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      Until all the communities I love move here I think I’d be hopping back and forth from Sync for Reddit and Jeroba for Lemmy, until that happens or Sync breaks lol.

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    I love how these articles always frame the strike as “These needy people are mad because Reddit is now charging for something that was free before.” Motherfucker, we’re mad because the price was unreasonable and they were unwilling to negotiate in good faith. Third party app developers even agreed that charging for API usage was a reasonable thing but they expected the cost to be reasonable, as well.

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      I’m mad because of the slander.

      The reason the price is unreasonable is because they’re butthurt that OpenAI and other companies have used the API to pull a LOT of text for machine learning datasets. They are sad that they didn’t get a slice of that cake.

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        They still got the frame completely wrong, unless there’s a different radio segment I didn’t hear. The one I heard was mostly from an expert I had never heard from before who made it seem like “the developers” were mad because they had to pay. They included a single throwaway line from Chris. (I think that’s the Apollo dev’s name.) No mention they the pricing was clearly intended to be unreasonable.

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          There was a segment today, and one yesterday where they actually put Christian on air for a bit longer and he explained things a little better. The one today was definitely obnoxious. But whatever. There’s a lot of nuance in why the API decision is annoying and some of it really does boil down to old users feeling betrayed or having diverging preference. I definitely feel betrayed, and have a preference not to be tracked on my semi-anonymous internet forum.

          But to someone who hasn’t spent a decade+ on Reddit, the argument makes sense I think. The API does represent an opportunity cost. Whether that opportunity cost is grounded in reality, or MBA brain rot is probably outside the scope for All Things Considered

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      It’s bullshit fr. I also haven’t seen one major news article report on that god awful AMA where Spez tried to lie about what Christian said and then claim he was blackmailed but was met with audio recordings of himself that proved he was lying

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        I know it’s not “major” in the sense of traditional news outlets, but Philip DeFranco is covering it at least

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    If I were world dictator I would just make advertising illegal. It’s the perfect dictator move. Simple policy that’s hard to enforce which will almost certainly have unintended consequences. But God damn do I hate advertising.

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      Your wish has been granted, all small businesses have gone bankrupt because nobody knows they exist and since the only form of advertising left is undercover guerilla advertising campaigns every post on every platform is secretly an advertisement!

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      It is such a bizarre and creepy industry, everything about it is gross. I support you for world dictator!

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        The problem is that it is basically impossible to clearly differentiate from reviews which are a good and necessary thing. Pay someone to review your product and what now?

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        I honestly think I’d prefer that they just let me pay them outright rather than trying to use me as bait for advertisers. The expectation that everything should be free leads to what we see today

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          meh, good point but i’d prefer some reasonably placed ad (not like those website that have 99% ad and 1% content) instead of paying for something that maybe i’ll never use again

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            Yea I wouldn’t mind If some of these instances had like one stickied post at the top for a paid ad If that was enough to pay for most of these server costs

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        You ever though about where the money from advertisers comes from? I would pay for Google if I would then pay less for products that waste money on “marketing” by paying millions to Google.

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        The thing is that there aren’t significant direct production costs per user for technology services like there are for material items, just overall maintenance costs that only scale noticeably with a large increase of new users, so it would actually be possible to pay for infrastructure and salary costs and all of that with just a percentage of your overall userbase being subscribed and subsidizing the rest. This is actually a monetization strategy that’s working out for some privacy focused services like ProtonMail. So it would be necessary to convince some users to sign up but not necessarily all of them.

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      sadly adverts are what allows some things to be free to consumers, it’s the funding that supports the content that people consume. It’s what it is for now, in the future maybe there would be better merit systems funded by tax or something if humans get together and stop being greedy.

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    Around 14 years ago or so, I actually turned off my Adblocker for reddit, because I respected the platform and how it was run. I’ve never turned off Adblocker for ANY other site before or since. Reddit can get fucked. I’m not going back period.

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      I did the same at some point. However, that place is long gone. There is no reason to be stuck there.

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      I think that’s admirable. Personally I’d rather just pay $1 per month or something and not see ads at all and have app access.

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        Sites need to understand that. No one wants to pay 10$/month for some premium crap, all we want is to replace ad revenue.

        But sadly most of them charge ridiculous amounts, so it’s infeasible to support many of them. People end up choosing the big ones because they provide the most value per money, so we get more monopolization.

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        The point is that it is not one dollar, actual server costs may still grow, so subscrptions for social media are still not enough to support the infrastructure behind. Look at twitter, the subscription is there (they call it $8chan now lol) but it still costs a lot of money. The question is whether giant social media sties can be as profitable as other non-tech companies, and it’s a valid question.

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    I personally hope they go bankrupt. I mean I feel bad for the average worker just trying to make a living, but fuck Reddit. Those folks should jump ship while they can and do something better for themselves.

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      I really like the idea that position if big social networks is not secure, that will make all of them think before making bad decisions.

      Facebook is almost dead, at least around me (Meta is not with IG and Wapp), I am now starting to hope that reddit would not recover.

      They have been digging this grave for some time now. We should let them go.

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    I cancelled my Reddit premium today. I was hesitant because I was in the $30/yr and didn’t want to get rid of that pricing since it’s $50 now. But I’m liking the fediverse and the quirks that comes with it. Will cancelling make an impact? Probably not. But I’d rather not support them if they’re not going to give me a choice on which app I use.

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      Earnest question, what did the $30/year get you? I never gave them a penny out of my own pocket, didn’t know why I would.

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        It gave you 700 tokens a month. So you could give out awards to posts. It also removed ads. But I used Apollo and old.reddit(don’t know if ads are placed here) so it didn’t exactly benefit me much.

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          I also cancelled my Reddit premium. I was using Apollo so the no ad thing was not a factor and I never used my tokens. But I used reddit a lot over many years and wanted to contribute. Currently I am avoiding reddit and trying out Lemmy. Will decide before Jun 30 whether to delete posts/comments/account. I have also resrrected an RSS app which I had not been using for quite a while.

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            I never had premium. But I deleted my 8-year account today. I took a screenshot as I was using power delete suite. I was tempted to make a throwaway account and post it to some of their subreddits that are still trending and see if I could start some kind of stupid little movement. Maybe they think a little bit longer if they start seeing people delete long-term accounts. And I’m sure there are lots of accounts out there that are much longer term and much higher Karma than me. Actually sacrificing some of those accounts could actually make a difference.

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      I’ve used an adblock for more than a decade now. At work, due to security reasons, the way we connect to internet is quite restricted and I don’t have an adblock. Internet experience is terrible with that, like unusable. Most websites you barely can find what you are looking for, and the annoyance is constant. It’s like a nightmare every time I have to use it that way.

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        yk you could “side-load” install the adblocker extension manually from flash drive ;)

        EDIT: /s? I am aware there are jobs that require very high security, this was just a cheeky don’t-really-do-this remark.

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          If they aren’t allowed to install AdBlockers, I doubt they are allowed to plug in random flash drives into their work machines

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            One possible solution: if OP is allowed to connect their phone to their work computer, and they have a rooted Android phone, they could get around this using VPN tethering. I’ll spell out how to do this, in case someone else can benefit from it.

            What’s needed:

            • a rooted Android phone
            • a VPN based ad blocker (Blokada, AdAway, etc)
            • a USB cable
            • a VPN hotspot app

            Steps:

            1. Connect your phone to a VPN based ad blocker
            2. Connect your phone to your computer
            3. Open the VPN hotspot app. Turn on USB tethering, then rndis0

            If it doesn’t work, try turning on USB debugging on your phone, or changing default USB configuration under Developer options

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      Also using my VPN’s DNS to block adware on phone and desktop as well as Pi-hole at home for guests who don’t use a VPN

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      Any amount will push lemmy closer to mainstream, so it’s always a good thing. The world won’t stop going into an anti-privacy and anti-freedom direction over night, so we might be looking at some exponential growth after the wave of new users.

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        I definetly didn’t write clearly, sry :p

        I meant that everyone on this thread is already on board. I just hope people actually stay in Lemmy

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      I can only talk for myself. Since yesterday I lurk on Reddit but don’t really engage with it anymore other than that.

      As soon as Apollo is gone, even that will go away. I don’t know if I will stay on Lemmy, only time will tell even tho I hope so. But my active days on Reddit are ending right now.

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    I just moved to Lemmy after staying on Reddit for almost 8 years! Hopefully more people will migrate too :)

    Social media should never be centralized and for-profit

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      Moved today. A big part of what I enjoy on reddit is reading comments and with how active communities are over here, I just might be here to stay!

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        me too. also really nice to just read normal commentsand not just upvote farming comments.

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    Two Wpromote clients canceled two premium, takeover-style campaigns that were supposed to launch this week

    “Takeover” campaigns are getting canceled. I wonder which blacked out subs were going to be taken over with ads this week.

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        Not literally take over a subreddit, takeover advertising campaigns are typically a high-key screen space domination type of advertising. Think of something like a video games news site where the homepage is completely covered in advertising for a new, high budget game. Ads at the top, ads at the bottom, ads in the normally-empty margins, and often a focus on articles about the subject.

        How that reflects to Reddit I’d never know, it’s likely something that’s exclusive to the newer layout that I have no interest in using.

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          This type of advertising is the death-knell of any site, because at that point you’re interacting with an advert with some extra elements rather than a site with ads.

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            I’m of the opinion that it has a time and a place, but I do agree that it’s exceptionally intrusive to the site’s normal experience and should be very rare and short-lived. Any more than a day and its runs afoul of the people who just aren’t interested.

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          And that’s why they will get rid of old.reddit. If they are cutting third party apps to increase ad revenue, then they will do the same with old.reddit

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        Apparently “premium, takeover-style” campaigns are a thing that reddit sells to its advertisers. TIL The article says that the campaigns will relaunch next week after the delay.

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    At this point, even if they were to reverse all the decisions they’ve made, I have no intention or desire to go back to Reddit. Lemmy has been a great replacement and I’m hoping it’ll only improve over time.

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    I deleted my Twitter account and haven’t been back since blood diamond heir and purchaser, not founder, of Tesla Elon Musk bought it.

    I’m done with reddit. I just hope the anti-capitalist subs regenerate here or I’ll have to find another place to vent (again, not reddit) in that regard.

    I’d love to try to make one, but I’m too busy with wage slave survival to be an attentive mod.

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      I’m just as happy here, for now. A community driven feed and a chance to interact with random people is enough to replace 95% of what I used Reddit for, and Twitter (which I was never really active in) and the alternatives that sprung up following the Musk cliff just don’t scratch that itch.

      I’ve actually been expecting Reddit to die for a while and worried I wouldn’t find the Next Thing^TM until it was too late. I’ve gone through and deleted all my alts and their comments/posts, but will give spez another week before I purge my (almost 200k) main account. It would be nice if Lemmy got enough traction in my areas of interest to fully replace Reddit either way. I have some bad habits there I would be wise to leave behind anyway.

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        Reddit doesn’t provide anything I can’t get elsewhere. I don’t know anyone there, I just reply to comments that pique my interest. Heck I delete my Reddit account every few years for privacy so even my account itself isn’t precious. I’m just getting started here but it’s hard to imagine Lemmy couldn’t replace it entirely.

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          I nuked my 15 year 750k karma “main” recently because I ran afoul of a super mod who banned me from like 8 subs in one fell swoop because I talked shit on his favorite game or some dumb shit. IDGAF it’s just the internet I’ll burn my next one too if it feels appropriate (and I probably will now, I just want to find one of those comment scrambler things I’ve read about.)

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              It was my first one, early on as a teen, I’m spitballing numbers because I deleted it but I had it probably like 15 years give or take a few.

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                  I’ve been offloading various services to self hosting for a few years anyway, so moving to a decentralized social media is just a logical progression for me anyway haha. I primarily use a private email host and I have self hosted apps to replace Google Docs and the like along with music/media stuff.

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        I’ve been looking for the next thing for more than a year, because the things that made Reddit a (relatively) healthier form of social media were being eroded. I tried out tildes, and the community was much more friendly, but almost too friendly. It was like they were overcompensating out of fear of the community becoming toxic… It wasn’t terrible, but it wasn’t comfortable - it felt like meeting strangers who you really want to impress. They’re also somewhat anti-growth, which isn’t a bad idea, but they were well below the sweet spot

        Plus, I never loved the old school Reddit visuals, and it’s design principle is html only and had no app or dark mode… All in all it’s a great place for a specific group of redditors that didn’t include me

        Then I made up my resolution to leave Reddit when my apps go down and started looking at making a custom app to collate RSS feeds, and I started hearing about Lemmy.

        I liked it enough that I’ve dropped everything and started building a better app. There’s a lot missing, but there’s so much good energy.

        And the design principles of the fediverse address many of the fundimental problems with social media and the Internet as a whole. This might really be something important