Lots to talk about in here!
I’m excited 👏🏻
Great non-canon line at the end from Siuan - “You are the water that turns the Wheel itself.”
I wish we got to see more of new Mat in the trailer but I guess I can wait. What we got were snippets of some epic moments: the darkfriend social, Rand meeting with Siuan, Nynaeve’s Accepted test, Rand v Turak, Heroes of the Horn (I think I see them on horseback @1:22 or so, may be a stretch, lol), and Aviendha (and Perrin!) in action v Whitecloaks.
I was already looking forward to the next season, especially sharing it with my show-only fan wife who loved season 1, and now we are both completely hyped for this second, atmospherically more ominous (I predict), season.
Very excited for this season.
Question: who is the little girl holding ‘the Dark One’s’ hand at the darkfriend social?
I have no idea and am wondering if anyone else does. Unraveling the Pattern points the girl out in his trailer breakdown on his youtube channel. It’s really hard to see in the original trailer without brightening the shot a bit.
I did not see a free chair for the Little girl among the darkfriends. So I don’t think she is a high ranking darkfriens of some sort.
I think she could be ransom that Fares Fares is using to get a darkfriend to do something against their will.
Another theory I have, a bit out there, is that it could be a certain forsaken masked through the Power. Fares Fares might be introducing the Little girl to later reveal she’s a Chosen, to warn the darkfriends that now everything they do will be watched, and they can’t escape the Chosens’ eyes.
No theories on that one.
I’m starting to warm up to the idea that Liandrin has a secret daughter. It’s a stretch, though. Liandrin doesn’t seem to be as happy with her choices as she was in the books.
That, or it could be the girl we see with Perrin.
That’s a theory I don’t think I’ve heard before. What gives you secret daughter vibes?
Edit: replied from notifications without looking at context. That’s an interesting idea. Could be the child of anyone present though, doesn’t have to be Liandrin specifically.
Yeah, this idea is original to my crazy mind. It comes from the looks of utter emotional agony and the steeling herself we see from her in the trailer. People are suggesting it’s her mourning Kerene.
But you’re right. She just seems the person present most likely to benefit from encouragement in the S2 plot.
Damn, the clip with Rand at the end in front of the Seanchan…
Any theories on who is the person with the flaming sword killing the Fade?
I immediately thought Rand because flaming sword. But looking at the stills of the trailer that doesn’t look like Rand at all…
My money is on Tomas. It’s someone we don’t recognize who would be worthy of a highlight of doing something badass.
This really goes along with the “Verin is the new Vandene” theory we’ve had for over a year now. Moiraine and Lan are meeting with Verin, and (instead of a Draghkar) we have a more traditional attack.
Honestly, it feels like they’ve always planned to merge Myrdraal and Draghkar, making them more inhuman instead of having the former occasionally put on a hood and chit-chat with townies.
I get what you mean. But refresh my memory, do we get any mentions in the books about someone who is not Rand using a flaming sword of Power? Assuming that’s what we are seeing in the trailer i had always assumed you had to be a channeler to wield that
But refresh my memory, do we get any mentions in the books about someone who is not Rand using a flaming sword of Power?
No, but not because it’s an unknown or unreasonable weave. It just doesn’t happen on-screen. One could argue women are weaker with fire, but fire is still damn useful in life-or-death scenarios and often used anyway.
But I got two takes on this. The first is that it’s not really a flaming sword. I’ve heard at least one or two people guessing that it’s a power wrought sword going full anti-myrdraal.
The second? Yeah, it could easily be a weave wreathing a sword in flame (we DO have non-Rand examples of flame-wreathing and other controlled/tied fire weaves, just not directly as weapons)
Let’s be honest. Strong return with no lore cost in giving us firesabres once in a while. And it fits the spirit of WoT who, if you recall, DID end up opening a gateway into a volcano for us.
Fuck this show. WoT should have been the easiest conversion to TV possible with all the detail Robert Jordan put into it. Instead, we got this abomination.
I fundamentally disagree. These books translated 1:1 for film would make some of the worst movies ever. The plot just doesn’t work for the new medium, they would DRAG and get very repetitive, especially the first three books.
HAVE you listened to any of Sanderson talking about his mistborn adaptation? He has been working on scripts for that for a while, and he said very early in that it became apparent very quickly that large changes needed to be made to characters and the story in order to make it work on screen at all.
That’s true if ALL adaptations if books to film. You can’t just do things 100% the same way.
Sometimes I feel bad for the showrunners. You can see in subtle ways how much they absolutely love the Wheel of Time. I rarely meet someone that knows it better than I do, but they clearly do.
And all they get is shit on by some people.
Sure, adaptation, not wholesale removal of key elements of the plot and replacement with stupid bullshit because the showrunner wants to put his own spin on it.
S1E87 - Titled “Nynaeve pulls her Braid before Winternight”
Seriously, there are dozens of factors people have been discussing for LITERAL decades (you realize most of us have been talking on this topic non-stop since the early 90’s, right?) that make a 1-to-1 translation absolutely absurd.
And most of those factors directly relate to things in Eye of the World.
Where did I say 1:1 translation? Yes, every book requires a degree of adaptation to translate to TV/movie format. What WoT didn’t need was the stupid shit that Rafe put it, including but not limited to:
- Making no distinction between saidin/saidar. You know, a key plot element
- The whole “we don’t know if the dragon is a boy or girl.” You know, a key to element tied to the taint on saidin.
- Literally any mention of the Dark One to establish any kind of plot in the show.
- Perrin being married and killing his wife.
- Making Mat’s family abusive drunks for some fucking reason.
- Whatever the fuck that scene with Lan was. Completely undermining the whole Lan/Nynaeve subplot of breaking down mental walls.
- Making Min old enough to be Rand’s mother
- The lack of character development for any of the male characters.
- The random episode focused on a shitty side character’s death.
- The complete inability to advance the plot through visual means, and the shitty exposition.
And on and on and on. I get it, WoT is overly descriptive and a 1:1 conversion is not possible. However, with so much fucking detail there is no possible reason to insert stupid bullshit that’s not in the books.
And yes, I’ve also been following this series for literal decades.
I’m glad that’s not what we got. One of the things I hoped for the show was that they would remove the details that Jordan adds to the books. It wouldn’t be fun to have 5 to 10 minutes every episode detailing irrelevant things.
Also hope they keep out other Jordan-isms like the excessive sexism, and how almost every character is a super prude virgin.
