The history around Gaza and Israel is long and super complicated. The “they hit me first” gets really fucking dumb after like 10 rounds. That’s why most people in the west don’t support the war, they support leaving people alone. Either the gazans or the Israelites.
War is the ultimate singularity. It’s a black hole that sucks up everyone and everything and there’s literally no positive to it. So if you have a say in it, the only way to cause less tragedy is to stop it.
On that note, fuck the Hamas for attacking Israel at the festival, and fuck Israel for escalating this into another war.
Hamas is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. It wasn’t “invented” by Israel.
And Israel didn’t fund them, but it’s true that Bibi let Qatar money reach Hamas when he could’ve blocked it.
The belief among some of the ones who supported that, was that better conditions of life in Gaza would prevent them from going to another war - An article about it from 2015
Mhhh yes which is why israel systematically blocks aid from entering Gaza and the humanitarian catastrophe and restrictions on aid only got worse over the years. Surely israel tried to help Gaza by instead of letting in food, give money to Hamas. this makes perfect sense now.
Hamas was the government of Gaza. You couldn’t get anything in there without it getting through Hamas anyway.
They sure managed to get a lot of weapons and rockets in there, and enough building materials for massive underground tunnels.
And your dear Al-Jazeera has an article from 2017 that says Qatari money actually did help Gaza Analysts: Qatar supports Gaza not Hamas
Are they also Zionist propaganda now?
Well goddammit, we’ve got a genuine freedom fighter here in our midst, waging war against the (wink wink nudge nudge) ZIONISTS. Are you a member of the legendary 104th Battalion, the Keyboard Snipers? Or are you part of that new 88th Battalion, the Fighting Dogwhistle Luftwaffles, deploying out of your parents basement?
Hamas actually got rid of that from its charter. It stopped making claims like that around the early 2000s and actually revamped their entire charter in 2018.
October 7th was the direct result of over a decade of Israeli war on Gaza bombing hospitals, shooting protestors, and blockading them. It’s what happens when terrorists try to moderate and go legitimate but get rebuffed.
And then, the future. Are you really trying to say Hamas has anywhere near the military power of the IDF? That a Hamas led genocide is a realistic thing to worry about? Because that’s ridiculous. Just based on the numbers.
One day? There have been countless atrocities committed against Israel over the last 100 years. Israel has the Iron Dome because rockets have been fired at them routinely. Those rockets are inaccurate; the chances of them hitting military targets and not civilians is low.
Israel is completely justified in wanting to retaliate. Retaliating against civilians is a completely different matter, however. Especially civilians who are completely powerless in almost every sense of the word.
98% of the deaths in the so-called “conflict” have been inflicted by the Israelis against the Palestinians. This is not a complicated issue - one side has all of the money and all of the weapons and all of the international support and has full control over when the “conflict” ends, and they choose to extend it.
That is precisely why I think it’s important not to make exaggerated claims that can easily be refuted. Israel will claim that the calls for them to stop come from liars. The established facts are damning by themselves, so let’s stick to those.
Fun fact, whether this meme is pro-Israel or pro-Palestine is 100% decided by what date you consider the “start” of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
The history around Gaza and Israel is long and super complicated. The “they hit me first” gets really fucking dumb after like 10 rounds. That’s why most people in the west don’t support the war, they support leaving people alone. Either the gazans or the Israelites.
War is the ultimate singularity. It’s a black hole that sucks up everyone and everything and there’s literally no positive to it. So if you have a say in it, the only way to cause less tragedy is to stop it.
On that note, fuck the Hamas for attacking Israel at the festival, and fuck Israel for escalating this into another war.
I mean, Isreal invented and funded hamas and gave them weapons. So fuck israel.
Hamas is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. It wasn’t “invented” by Israel. And Israel didn’t fund them, but it’s true that Bibi let Qatar money reach Hamas when he could’ve blocked it.
The belief among some of the ones who supported that, was that better conditions of life in Gaza would prevent them from going to another war - An article about it from 2015
Mhhh yes which is why israel systematically blocks aid from entering Gaza and the humanitarian catastrophe and restrictions on aid only got worse over the years. Surely israel tried to help Gaza by instead of letting in food, give money to Hamas. this makes perfect sense now.
NPR is straight up Zionist propaganda.
Hamas was the government of Gaza. You couldn’t get anything in there without it getting through Hamas anyway.
They sure managed to get a lot of weapons and rockets in there, and enough building materials for massive underground tunnels.
And your dear Al-Jazeera has an article from 2017 that says Qatari money actually did help Gaza Analysts: Qatar supports Gaza not Hamas
Are they also Zionist propaganda now?
Yes which why it is obvious the blockade on Gaza was only using the blocking of “smuggled weapons” as an excuse to starve civilians.
You are destroying your own argument.
Your Qatar link is irrelevant. Of course Qatar supports Gaza. However Netanyahu asked Qatar to give cash to Hamas.
Well goddammit, we’ve got a genuine freedom fighter here in our midst, waging war against the (wink wink nudge nudge) ZIONISTS. Are you a member of the legendary 104th Battalion, the Keyboard Snipers? Or are you part of that new 88th Battalion, the Fighting Dogwhistle Luftwaffles, deploying out of your parents basement?
Look at that a Genocide defender saying that criticism of israel is antisemitic.
Circle of hatred.
No matter if it is about a relationship, two political parties or countries. You can only brake out of it,if you commit to not go for the “revenge”.
It’s not that long and it’s not that complicated, the pro Israel crowd likes to throw this notion around as a thought-terminating cliche.
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Death to war. Life to all children of the Levant.
can i be pro-both, anti-genocide, and think that both of their ruling parties are fucked to shit
I think that much be a popular opinion but WTF is happening there
Hamas’s entire goal is to kill all Jews, and take Israel back for themselves (“river to the sea”).
What do people think is going to happen if Israel just stops? Another Oct. 7th. At what point do people need to address this fact?
EDIT: Some of y’all should read a Qur’an sometime.
Hamas actually got rid of that from its charter. It stopped making claims like that around the early 2000s and actually revamped their entire charter in 2018.
October 7th was the direct result of over a decade of Israeli war on Gaza bombing hospitals, shooting protestors, and blockading them. It’s what happens when terrorists try to moderate and go legitimate but get rebuffed.
And then, the future. Are you really trying to say Hamas has anywhere near the military power of the IDF? That a Hamas led genocide is a realistic thing to worry about? Because that’s ridiculous. Just based on the numbers.
Hamas certainly said it in the past. Israel is doing it now. Who’s right and who’s wrong?
Hamas very clearly states that it does not want to Genocide the Jews.
This is a massive lie. Hamas goal is to get colonizers off their land.
Hamas has never killed a single Jew outside of israel. In fact it doesn’t kill any people that don’t occupy their land.
Yeah I was thinking it was pro Palestine until I read the comments and realized it could be interpreted the other way as well…
Idk if the ambiguity was intentional, but it’s good lol.
Ishmael v Isaac. Got it.
Oh, so you’re just gonna ignore how Sarah treated Hagar and lay it all on Ishmael, huh? :P
Baby mama drama - tale as old as time.
Man, I miss Jerry Springer.
Late 1800s when Zionists started making trouble in Palestine.
1948 was ugly too
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One day? There have been countless atrocities committed against Israel over the last 100 years. Israel has the Iron Dome because rockets have been fired at them routinely. Those rockets are inaccurate; the chances of them hitting military targets and not civilians is low.
Israel is completely justified in wanting to retaliate. Retaliating against civilians is a completely different matter, however. Especially civilians who are completely powerless in almost every sense of the word.
98% of the deaths in the so-called “conflict” have been inflicted by the Israelis against the Palestinians. This is not a complicated issue - one side has all of the money and all of the weapons and all of the international support and has full control over when the “conflict” ends, and they choose to extend it.
That is precisely why I think it’s important not to make exaggerated claims that can easily be refuted. Israel will claim that the calls for them to stop come from liars. The established facts are damning by themselves, so let’s stick to those.