Fuck Israel and the Palestinians for being endlessly shitty to each other and dragging the whole gottdam world into their regional territorial dispute over and over for the better part of the last century. Fuck the whole lot of them together for perpetuating the most narcissistic conflict of the 20th century. Everyone’s a victim and everyone’s an aggressor and we are all supposed to dissect their long historical bullshit and form a moral opinion?! Fuck off and leave us all out of your fucking drama.
I voted you down because I think you are making a few errors here:
Not every Palestinian is Hamas. Hamas is a genocidal organization that wishes it could kill every Israeli, including civilians, but not every Palestinian believes in that. And not every Israeli agrees with IDF’s genocide, although a disappointingly high proportion of them do.
IDF is clearly more successful in their genocide of Palestinians than Hamas is in their attempted genocide of Israelis.
Even if Hamas and IDF both were equal, a lot of the English-speaking Internet (including many Lemmings here) are Americans, and pay American taxes, and therefore have an obligation to stop the genocide funded by our taxes, through money and weapons the US government sends to Israel. Even if both sides were equally bad, we (I and other Americans) recognize the need to stop Israel, but have no obligation to stop Hamas because we aren’t sending them the weapons in the first place.
Thank you for being one if the few that rip into Hamas at the same time as calling Israel out. I disagree on downvoting them as they contributed to the conversation, but points don’t matter.
On point 1, outside of a few extremists I don’t think anyone considers all of Palestine to be a part of Hamas - its just how we talk.
America isn’t becoming a backwards, puritan and corrupt country - the Republicans are and they held the power. But we don’t say that, we just say America is turning to shit. China doesn’t have aggressive expansionist goals, the CCP does. Russia isn’t a warmongering state, Putin and his running party are.
Fuck Israel and the Palestinians for being endlessly shitty to each other and dragging the whole gottdam world into their regional territorial dispute over and over for the better part of the last century. Fuck the whole lot of them together for perpetuating the most narcissistic conflict of the 20th century. Everyone’s a victim and everyone’s an aggressor and we are all supposed to dissect their long historical bullshit and form a moral opinion?! Fuck off and leave us all out of your fucking drama.
I voted you down because I think you are making a few errors here:
Not every Palestinian is Hamas. Hamas is a genocidal organization that wishes it could kill every Israeli, including civilians, but not every Palestinian believes in that. And not every Israeli agrees with IDF’s genocide, although a disappointingly high proportion of them do.
IDF is clearly more successful in their genocide of Palestinians than Hamas is in their attempted genocide of Israelis.
Even if Hamas and IDF both were equal, a lot of the English-speaking Internet (including many Lemmings here) are Americans, and pay American taxes, and therefore have an obligation to stop the genocide funded by our taxes, through money and weapons the US government sends to Israel. Even if both sides were equally bad, we (I and other Americans) recognize the need to stop Israel, but have no obligation to stop Hamas because we aren’t sending them the weapons in the first place.
Thank you for being one if the few that rip into Hamas at the same time as calling Israel out. I disagree on downvoting them as they contributed to the conversation, but points don’t matter.
On point 1, outside of a few extremists I don’t think anyone considers all of Palestine to be a part of Hamas - its just how we talk.
America isn’t becoming a backwards, puritan and corrupt country - the Republicans are and they held the power. But we don’t say that, we just say America is turning to shit. China doesn’t have aggressive expansionist goals, the CCP does. Russia isn’t a warmongering state, Putin and his running party are.
I think if you’re going to criticize Hamas you also need to point out that their extremist views were funded by the state of Isreal not only to create the conditions to justify their genocide but also to push out moderate leadership within Palestine.
Because God forbid anyone in this conflict be held responsible for their own actions, rather than blaming everything on who came before them.
You know what, maybe don’t steal people’s land and murder them and they won’t have to defend themselves?
Quick question- going back as far as we currently know - is the land you are living on right now stolen from someone?