Some languages are just worse to work with. like JavaScript. Console.log is like sure I’ll log your object but I’ll tell you what it is now, not what it was when you logged it.
Fwiw, Javascript’s object logging is a feature I often miss in other languages. If you just want to log the string, use formatted strings or just log obj+“” like you would need to do in every other language. Or even better, log a copy, like you probably wanted to do, with {…obj}.
I have many gripes with Javascript, but the logging API is pretty solid.
I’ve never had a complaint about logging stuff in python. It generally does what I expect.
“Create a copy of your object and print that” is what I ended up doing, but I don’t think most people would say that’s intuitive. I expect if i print something at a particular time, I get what it is at that point in time.
Javascript passes objects by reference in most cases. Passing logging objects by copy would actually be an anomaly within the language. The only unexpected part is that the browser console doesn’t toString your objects instantly (for performance reasons mostly), but the same happens in other frameworks for other languages (though often with less latency, milliseconds most of the time).
As I’ve personally experienced, this can make debugging concurrency issues real fun! Pre-composing your log messages as a string (within the same critical section) will prevent quite a few weird edge cases.
The Python console doesn’t allow you to expand and dig deep into the object hirerachy of the thing you’re dumping. You either implement a string conversion handler or manually convert the object to a string as well, whereas Javascript doesn’t need the extra string pass and doesn’t flatten the log hierarchy. There are a few JSON logging frameworks you can combine with log aggregators that provide the same functionality, but that’s quite heavy and complicated to set up.
I’d just like to highlight what you mention below: Logging it as an object allows you to inspect it in the browser console, presumably with some JSON tree representation, rather than just a dumb string.
It’s about writing the code, not execution time. Otherwise Assembly wouldn’t take 7 years…
Some languages are just worse to work with. like JavaScript. Console.log is like sure I’ll log your object but I’ll tell you what it is now, not what it was when you logged it.
Fwiw, Javascript’s object logging is a feature I often miss in other languages. If you just want to log the string, use formatted strings or just log obj+“” like you would need to do in every other language. Or even better, log a copy, like you probably wanted to do, with {…obj}.
I have many gripes with Javascript, but the logging API is pretty solid.
I’ve never had a complaint about logging stuff in python. It generally does what I expect.
“Create a copy of your object and print that” is what I ended up doing, but I don’t think most people would say that’s intuitive. I expect if i print something at a particular time, I get what it is at that point in time.
Javascript passes objects by reference in most cases. Passing logging objects by copy would actually be an anomaly within the language. The only unexpected part is that the browser console doesn’t toString your objects instantly (for performance reasons mostly), but the same happens in other frameworks for other languages (though often with less latency, milliseconds most of the time).
As I’ve personally experienced, this can make debugging concurrency issues real fun! Pre-composing your log messages as a string (within the same critical section) will prevent quite a few weird edge cases.
The Python console doesn’t allow you to expand and dig deep into the object hirerachy of the thing you’re dumping. You either implement a string conversion handler or manually convert the object to a string as well, whereas Javascript doesn’t need the extra string pass and doesn’t flatten the log hierarchy. There are a few JSON logging frameworks you can combine with log aggregators that provide the same functionality, but that’s quite heavy and complicated to set up.
I’d just like to highlight what you mention below: Logging it as an object allows you to inspect it in the browser console, presumably with some JSON tree representation, rather than just a dumb string.
It’s described in the “Outputting a single object” example here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/console#examples
I can see it going both ways. Talking about execution times, this would be an exaggeration, but then, these memes always are.