A Cool DudeM to [email protected] • 22 days ago“Communism bad”lemmy.mlimagemessage-square719fedilinkarrow-up1880arrow-down1160
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minus-squareDessalineslinkfedilink9•21 days agoColonialism and indigenous eviction masquerading as “socialist”.
minus-square@[email protected]linkfedilink-4•21 days agoI would argue that the Colonialism and indigenous eviction evils can be separated from the socialist successes.
minus-squareCowbee [he/him]linkfedilink6•21 days agoIf the Colonialism is what supported the system, it was not Socialist.
minus-square@[email protected]linkfedilink-2•21 days agoColonialism certainly helped establish some settlements, but is colonialism essential for the survival of the kibbutz system? I don’t think so. For example, if a kibbutz was initiated (legally and paid for) in Australia, then colonialism would not be an ingredient.
minus-squareCowbee [he/him]linkfedilink4•21 days agoBut you nonetheless used a Colonialist system as an example.
minus-square@[email protected]linkfedilink-3•21 days agoI disagree. The ideology of a kibbutz is not Colonialist.
minus-squareCowbee [he/him]linkfedilink2•21 days agoThe example was colonialist. It has only existed in a colonialist form. You were tasked with providing an example of Socialism working, which by extension implies you believe colonialism to be compatible with Socialism. This is nonsense.
minus-square@[email protected]linkfedilink-4•21 days ago It has only existed in a colonialist form. There are examples of kibbutzs outside of Israel. Colonialism is not (necessarily) part of the ideology.
minus-squaredavel [he/him]linkfedilinkEnglish6•21 days agoHow it started: The kibbutzim were founded by members of the Bilu movement who emigrated to Palestine. How it’s going: Gaza toll could exceed 186,000, Lancet study says
minus-square@[email protected]linkfedilink-3•21 days agoYes, some kibbutz founders were part of Zionist settlement land grabs. And there is no way I’m going to defend current Israeli actions. But this doesn’t really relate to the kibbutz being a good example of communism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz
Colonialism and indigenous eviction masquerading as “socialist”.
I would argue that the Colonialism and indigenous eviction evils can be separated from the socialist successes.
If the Colonialism is what supported the system, it was not Socialist.
Colonialism certainly helped establish some settlements, but is colonialism essential for the survival of the kibbutz system? I don’t think so.
For example, if a kibbutz was initiated (legally and paid for) in Australia, then colonialism would not be an ingredient.
But you nonetheless used a Colonialist system as an example.
I disagree. The ideology of a kibbutz is not Colonialist.
The example was colonialist. It has only existed in a colonialist form. You were tasked with providing an example of Socialism working, which by extension implies you believe colonialism to be compatible with Socialism. This is nonsense.
There are examples of kibbutzs outside of Israel. Colonialism is not (necessarily) part of the ideology.
How it started: The kibbutzim were founded by members of the Bilu movement who emigrated to Palestine.
How it’s going: Gaza toll could exceed 186,000, Lancet study says
Yes, some kibbutz founders were part of Zionist settlement land grabs. And there is no way I’m going to defend current Israeli actions.
But this doesn’t really relate to the kibbutz being a good example of communism.