Thanks for taking the time to respond. I get what you’re saying. I just lean more towards that the space doesn’t have to be for fostering acceptance or understanding by outsiders, regardless of outcome. The best example my morning brain can come up with is: swingers generally don’t get together with the purpose of interacting with the non-swinger public (unless they’re exhibitionists with a poor grasp of consent) or improving their image; they get together to fuck. The metaphor breaks down in that lemmy is a bit more public, but one can still get kicked out of Hedo for not following the rules even if it’s upsetting or gives you a bad experience with the scene. It would be a pretty awful place for swingers if nobody enforced rules that made it a safe place to be naked etc. even for “ugly” people, even if that becomes the image generally. Ok, this metaphor is getting worse and worse, but hopefully it’s good enough to get us to shore.