Do you have any peer reviewed journal articles on the efficacy of being mean to people? We’ve been asshats to fat people for a really long time and, I hate to break it to you, it hasn’t made anybody thinner. So next time you think about giving some “tough love” to somebody, remember that it doesn’t work and you’re just finding an excuse to be a garbage person.
Actually, we wouldn’t. Since there is no evidence based weight loss method that works long term for most people (I’m open to journal articles to the contrary, but I don’t care about your anecdotes or vibes. Don’t even bother to reply if you’re not bringing your A game.), we don’t have to determine exactly how or how much of being a jerk to a person would be acceptable for a method that doesn’t work.
The objective truth (which is a very inappropriate phrase to use in the context of science and research, especially medical, I’m just mirroring your usage) is that anybody that continues to be mean about it is ignoring evidence contrary to their justification of being an awful person.
I assume you’re referring to the 95% of diets fail thing, right? A lot of people misinterpret it as “95% of people can’t lose weight dieting”, but that’s not actually true. Many smokers take multiple attempts to fully quit cigarettes, and the same is true for weight loss.
Look, I don’t care if you don’t wanna diet or lose weight, totally your choice, but spread disinformation to justify yourself. I get kidney stones because I drink too much soda, but I don’t go around and say “kidney stones are actually healthy!”
That’s pretty long, but way at the bottom, it says:
none of the strategies that have been proposed to promote weight loss or maintenance of weight loss are universally recognized as having any utility in weight management.
None. The very next sentence:
The efficacy of individual interventions is poor
Just above that is the things they do recommend. The things they propose as being possibilities on an individual level require basically that your life revolves around your weight. 80 minutes of exercise every single day, constant mental effort to self monitor, don’t be stressed (lol), planning to avoid relapse, and social support. So constantly thinking about ones weight and food. That’s too close to an eating disorder for my taste.
Policy changes they propose include:
Mandating regular physical activity during the workday (IOM, 1998).
That sounds absolutely distopian.
Is this the best article you could find? It doesn’t support your claim. Quite the opposite, it fact.
I realized I my previous comment, I forgot to talk about the meanness thing I agree that “tough love” is bullshit. Many people use the guise of being blunt to be a dick, and that’s not cool. Most people’s wake up call is some kind of health scare or something similar
but now there’s the “fat positivity” movement. Being too kind to these people and affirming their delusions about how other people are just bigots for not being attracted to people who can’t fit through doors in most buildings made the number of overweight and morbidly obese people skyrocket
Can you clearly show this using data? I’m not saying you’re right or wrong, but if you’re right, we should see a clear change in data starting from when the body positivity movement started (i.e. not just a continuing trend).
Yeah, I think that quote is mixing up causation and correlation. Obesity rates have been rising for the past few decades, mostly linked to processed foods containing higher calories becoming more common, but there’s not a jump due to fat activism.
I do think that there are some fat activists go too far. Like, no, you aren’t entitled to have hot people be attracted to you, no one’s entitled to any attraction at all. However, going out of your way to be a dick to them doesn’t help, just like you aren’t bullying someone out of inceldom.
That’s also my perspective. Sure, some people go to far, but that’s literally always the case. But the obesity epidemic has far bigger reasons, ultimately coming down to late-stage capitalism.
Do you have any peer reviewed journal articles on the efficacy of being mean to people? We’ve been asshats to fat people for a really long time and, I hate to break it to you, it hasn’t made anybody thinner. So next time you think about giving some “tough love” to somebody, remember that it doesn’t work and you’re just finding an excuse to be a garbage person.
We’d have to define being mean. Is it just being objectively honest?
Actually, we wouldn’t. Since there is no evidence based weight loss method that works long term for most people (I’m open to journal articles to the contrary, but I don’t care about your anecdotes or vibes. Don’t even bother to reply if you’re not bringing your A game.), we don’t have to determine exactly how or how much of being a jerk to a person would be acceptable for a method that doesn’t work.
The objective truth (which is a very inappropriate phrase to use in the context of science and research, especially medical, I’m just mirroring your usage) is that anybody that continues to be mean about it is ignoring evidence contrary to their justification of being an awful person.
I assume you’re referring to the 95% of diets fail thing, right? A lot of people misinterpret it as “95% of people can’t lose weight dieting”, but that’s not actually true. Many smokers take multiple attempts to fully quit cigarettes, and the same is true for weight loss.
Boop! National Library of Medicine discussing weight loss (with references)
Look, I don’t care if you don’t wanna diet or lose weight, totally your choice, but spread disinformation to justify yourself. I get kidney stones because I drink too much soda, but I don’t go around and say “kidney stones are actually healthy!”
That’s pretty long, but way at the bottom, it says:
None. The very next sentence:
Just above that is the things they do recommend. The things they propose as being possibilities on an individual level require basically that your life revolves around your weight. 80 minutes of exercise every single day, constant mental effort to self monitor, don’t be stressed (lol), planning to avoid relapse, and social support. So constantly thinking about ones weight and food. That’s too close to an eating disorder for my taste.
Policy changes they propose include:
That sounds absolutely distopian.
Is this the best article you could find? It doesn’t support your claim. Quite the opposite, it fact.
I realized I my previous comment, I forgot to talk about the meanness thing I agree that “tough love” is bullshit. Many people use the guise of being blunt to be a dick, and that’s not cool. Most people’s wake up call is some kind of health scare or something similar
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Can you clearly show this using data? I’m not saying you’re right or wrong, but if you’re right, we should see a clear change in data starting from when the body positivity movement started (i.e. not just a continuing trend).
Yeah, I think that quote is mixing up causation and correlation. Obesity rates have been rising for the past few decades, mostly linked to processed foods containing higher calories becoming more common, but there’s not a jump due to fat activism.
I do think that there are some fat activists go too far. Like, no, you aren’t entitled to have hot people be attracted to you, no one’s entitled to any attraction at all. However, going out of your way to be a dick to them doesn’t help, just like you aren’t bullying someone out of inceldom.
That’s also my perspective. Sure, some people go to far, but that’s literally always the case. But the obesity epidemic has far bigger reasons, ultimately coming down to late-stage capitalism.