Passenger vehicles are by far the most dangerous motorized transportation option compared. Over the last 10 years, passenger vehicle death rate per 100,000,000 passenger miles was over 20 times higher than for buses, 17 times higher than for passenger trains, and 595 times higher than for scheduled airlines.Other comparisons are possible based on passenger trips, vehicle miles, or vehicle trips, but passenger miles is the most commonly used basis for comparing the safety of various modes of travel.
There are other, better ways to transport people that are not only more efficient, but significantly safer. Cars are basically the worst way our society could practically organise our transport needs.
There is no other way to swim than by getting in the water, but if your pool in particular keeps on killing loads of people then maybe your pool in particular has a problem and should be shut down.
Passenger vehicles are by far the most dangerous motorized transportation option compared. Over the last 10 years, passenger vehicle death rate per 100,000,000 passenger miles was over 20 times higher than for buses, 17 times higher than for passenger trains, and 595 times higher than for scheduled airlines.Other comparisons are possible based on passenger trips, vehicle miles, or vehicle trips, but passenger miles is the most commonly used basis for comparing the safety of various modes of travel.
I’m all for reducing the amount of cars on the road, but in many areas it’s simply not practical not to own one.
I’ve done the math. Not owning a car at all or paying for note/gas/maintenance/insurance, and instead living in walking/cycling distance from work would require me to spend about $700/month more than I am now living 35 miles away and paying for my car expenses, and would leave me effectively stranded at work.
in many areas it’s simply not practical not to own one.
This is exactly the problem that I am trying to highlight. I don’t think individual consumptive actions will fix this. This is a political issue that needs collective action to fix.
Passenger vehicles are by far the most dangerous motorized transportation option compared. Over the last 10 years, passenger vehicle death rate per 100,000,000 passenger miles was over 20 times higher than for buses, 17 times higher than for passenger trains, and 595 times higher than for scheduled airlines. Other comparisons are possible based on passenger trips, vehicle miles, or vehicle trips, but passenger miles is the most commonly used basis for comparing the safety of various modes of travel.
You’ve said, “You suck at abstraction” to two people now who’ve explained very clearly what’s wrong with your understanding of the study. If you can’t be bothered to explain yourself nobody will know what you mean.
It’s hard to see how “quality of life” can be balanced against enormous numbers of people killed, but it sounds like you can’t name anything that kills more kids? Maybe because there is nothing? Maybe this is a huge problem and saying, “cars kill kids” is actually pretty valid?
Cars are terrible for quality of life unless you live rurally. Not only are they massively wasteful, their highways cut swathes through communities, they create noise pollution, they dominate our landscape and rob us of communal spaces, and they cause urban sprawl and force us into enormous and stessful commutes.
There is no part of our lives that is made better by cars. You can’t just say “quality of life” and expect that to mean anything unless, again, you explain yourself. You don’t seem interested in doing that though.
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Okay but, counterpoint, cars kill kids.
Edit, so I don’t have to keep repeating myself, and because this is important fucking information:
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/deaths-by-transportation-mode/
Thank you for excepting the exhausting challenge to explain this to a bunch of meat-/car-brains.
Drowning kills kids. Shall we get rid swimming pools?
There are other, better ways to transport people that are not only more efficient, but significantly safer. Cars are basically the worst way our society could practically organise our transport needs.
There is no other way to swim than by getting in the water, but if your pool in particular keeps on killing loads of people then maybe your pool in particular has a problem and should be shut down.
Edit:
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/deaths-by-transportation-mode/
I’m all for reducing the amount of cars on the road, but in many areas it’s simply not practical not to own one.
I’ve done the math. Not owning a car at all or paying for note/gas/maintenance/insurance, and instead living in walking/cycling distance from work would require me to spend about $700/month more than I am now living 35 miles away and paying for my car expenses, and would leave me effectively stranded at work.
This is exactly the problem that I am trying to highlight. I don’t think individual consumptive actions will fix this. This is a political issue that needs collective action to fix.
Don’t forget that your taxes go towards other people’s driving. Gas, roads and parking comes out of your taxes.
Don’t also forget that your commute is probably 1 hour each way of unpaid work.
If there was an alternative you couldn’t drown in then yes, we should get rid of swimming pools.
Buses kill kids too. Trains too. Airplanes too. Let’s get rid of transportation.
Or is it about the numbers all of the sudden?
You’ve got to be a special level of dumb to think that anything in life has zero risk. Even food kills kids under certain circumstances.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/deaths-by-transportation-mode/
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Those aren’t absolute rates, those are effectively per capita
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Uh. It’s literally per type of vehicle per 100,000,000 miles against passenger vehicles.
You can have your car, go nuts, but people who don’t want one shouldn’t be forced to have one to survive. I should have the freedom to not need a car.
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“Per 100,000,000 passenger miles”. It’s literally right there.
Name anything else we do that kills more kids. I will wait.
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You’ve said, “You suck at abstraction” to two people now who’ve explained very clearly what’s wrong with your understanding of the study. If you can’t be bothered to explain yourself nobody will know what you mean.
It’s hard to see how “quality of life” can be balanced against enormous numbers of people killed, but it sounds like you can’t name anything that kills more kids? Maybe because there is nothing? Maybe this is a huge problem and saying, “cars kill kids” is actually pretty valid?
Cars are terrible for quality of life unless you live rurally. Not only are they massively wasteful, their highways cut swathes through communities, they create noise pollution, they dominate our landscape and rob us of communal spaces, and they cause urban sprawl and force us into enormous and stessful commutes.
There is no part of our lives that is made better by cars. You can’t just say “quality of life” and expect that to mean anything unless, again, you explain yourself. You don’t seem interested in doing that though.
If the leading cause of death globally 4-15 year olds is car accidents then it’s not a dirty play IMO.