I was sympathetic to this change if only because I regard it as better for privacy that removed and deleted comments stay that way, it’s annoying that if you deleted something there was an ability to see it again. Most of the time it was used for drama and shit-stirring, although I will admit it’s a shame to lose some important threads that were removed. Also they would never have backtracked on this part because I am pretty sure it’s been a long-standing issue with GDPR in the EU and finally came to bite them.
I would agree with you on deleted comments, but I disagree with you on removed comments. 9/10 times, the most interesting and well argued comments where hidden behind those, but they where removed because they didn’t fit a subs bubble (looking at you /r/worldnews)
They’re still gonna frequently be in caches like Google’s or Archive.org. Just much less predictable when those will cache, so sometimes they may have your comments and other times they saved the page too soon or late. It’s best to assume that once on the internet, it’ll be almost impossible to fully remove, as there’s too many services that cache websites.
I don’t know that you could ever remove posts or comments from Reddit either. I think it’s safer to describe it as making a comment public or not. I’m assuming that Reddit itself keeps records of all deleted posts. It’s best to treat everything you post online as public and permanent. I honestly think reddits ability to edit comments was a problem. I’ve seen so many arguments where people go back and change previous posts so now the arguments don’t make sense or to make the person responding to them look like an asshole.
My understanding was that reddit only kept the immediate previous version, not all historical versions. So if you just edited or deleted your post, they could restore it from the backup (if they wanted to). But you could edit your post to, say, “eff spez and eff reddit”. And if your edited or deleted it after that, the only thing they’d be able to restore it to would be “eff spez and eff reddit”.
That’s my historical understanding anyway, they could’ve changed it in the meantime.
I was sympathetic to this change if only because I regard it as better for privacy that removed and deleted comments stay that way, it’s annoying that if you deleted something there was an ability to see it again. Most of the time it was used for drama and shit-stirring, although I will admit it’s a shame to lose some important threads that were removed. Also they would never have backtracked on this part because I am pretty sure it’s been a long-standing issue with GDPR in the EU and finally came to bite them.
I would agree with you on deleted comments, but I disagree with you on removed comments. 9/10 times, the most interesting and well argued comments where hidden behind those, but they where removed because they didn’t fit a subs bubble (looking at you /r/worldnews)
They’re still gonna frequently be in caches like Google’s or Archive.org. Just much less predictable when those will cache, so sometimes they may have your comments and other times they saved the page too soon or late. It’s best to assume that once on the internet, it’ll be almost impossible to fully remove, as there’s too many services that cache websites.
What’s your stance on the inability to remove comments in fediverse instances like Lemmy or Kbin?
I don’t know that you could ever remove posts or comments from Reddit either. I think it’s safer to describe it as making a comment public or not. I’m assuming that Reddit itself keeps records of all deleted posts. It’s best to treat everything you post online as public and permanent. I honestly think reddits ability to edit comments was a problem. I’ve seen so many arguments where people go back and change previous posts so now the arguments don’t make sense or to make the person responding to them look like an asshole.
My understanding was that reddit only kept the immediate previous version, not all historical versions. So if you just edited or deleted your post, they could restore it from the backup (if they wanted to). But you could edit your post to, say, “eff spez and eff reddit”. And if your edited or deleted it after that, the only thing they’d be able to restore it to would be “eff spez and eff reddit”.
That’s my historical understanding anyway, they could’ve changed it in the meantime.