Are we still pretending that China is a socialist country? Their social safety net is much worse than the US, which is regarding among the worst of OECD countries. I guess they still have a red and yellow flag so must be socialist utopia right?
China’s President sent his own daughter to Harvard and China has wide income inequality, as well as the greatest proportion of millionaires and billionaires in the world. The wealthy in China go on day trips to Paris to literally eat cake.
Well, it may come as a shock to them, but having wealth in China improves your life considerably more than in the US. Unless of course, you challenge the Chairman.
because socialism isn’t defined by how many people in a country have a certain level of wealth. socialism is the transitional period between capitalism and communism, where the proletariat hold state power and build the conditions necessary for communism. before you can have communism you need to have the productive forces in place to make that economically possible. China chose the route of allowing capitalist investment to help develop its productive forces, while maintaining state power and overall control of the economy in the hands of the Communist Party. they decided that it was better for the country to become wealthy unevenly at first, rather than to keep socialising poverty
What is socialism and what is Marxism? We were not quite clear about this in the past. Marxism attaches utmost importance to developing the productive forces. We have said that socialism is the primary stage of communism and that at the advanced stage the principle of from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs will be applied. This calls for highly developed productive forces and an overwhelming abundance of material wealth. Therefore, the fundamental task for the socialist stage is to develop the productive forces. The superiority of the socialist system is demonstrated, in the final analysis, by faster and greater development of those forces than under the capitalist system. As they develop, the people’s material and cultural life will constantly improve. One of our shortcomings after the founding of the People’s Republic was that we didn’t pay enough attention to developing the productive forces. Socialism means eliminating poverty. Pauperism is not socialism, still less communism
as it happens there did arise a great degree of wealth disparity, which the state has begun to tackle since Xi’s leadership took over
and that’s something they’ll need to iron out over time
but the existence of billionaires isn’t a reflection of the class character of the state
The Chinese state is cracking down on billionaires and the wealthy, to some extent, mainly as they are a challenge to the states own power. Not as a result of much else. Loyal ones, particularly close to Xi, are left alone.
China continues to be highly neoliberal in business practice, supported and subsidised by the state, if you’re in a key industry, particularly as China faces economic downturn. Chinese workers are pliant, and educated. Which is why Elon Musk is there.
The proletariat do not hold the power in China, they are seen as a threat by the Chinese elite. Hence a heavy surveillance state, and large propaganda arm.
The transition from socialism to capitalism, in theory, does not include a devolution back to capitalism lol. Xi Jinping has created more wealth for the Chinese elite than any other previous Chinese President. Unless you think the Germans were also socialist during the 30’s and 40’s.
Taken together, these accounts tell a pretty compelling and straightforward story: a worker state led by a vanguard party has placed the productive forces developed by capitalism under human control once again, for the benefit of the many rather than the few, and so definitively begun the complex and difficult transition away from capitalism and into communism that we call socialism. Capitalists, sheltered and insular in their dealings with fellow human beings, don’t understand that they are not sympathetic characters, so they shamelessly self-victimize in the press in the hopes of winning sympathy from the masses, in a futile effort to rally the necessary fervor for military intervention. The situation looks grim for the forces of reaction.
It doesn’t sound like you read anything that I sent you.
Also, doesn’t seem like you know how the Chinese democracy works. All that I hear is complete misunderstandings said confidently.
Let us be clear, the Chinese Communist Party is a Marxist-Leninist organization. The Party General Secretary Xi Jinping sees himself as Josef Stalin’s successor. In fact, as the journalist and former Australian government official John Garnaut has noted, the Chinese Communist Party is the last “ruling communist party that never split with Stalin, with the partial exception of North Korea.” [11]
Leaked cables from 2009 give a clear sense of why Xi Jinping aggravates the US:
Unlike many youth who “made up for lost time by having fun” after the Cultural Revolution, Xi “chose to survive by becoming redder than the red.” … Xi is not corrupt and does not care about money
Dude they’re fucking state capitalists, not socialists. Also, cities were not being burned but way to parrot right wing talking points. In fact you could easily be a right winger hoping to drum up support. Hell, if you support China you already support anti-lgbt legislation so you probably are just some dumb fuck who thought he knew anything about the left.
Read this on monopoly state capitalism (specifically applies to underdeveloped countries under the DOTP)
Hell, if you support China you already support anti-lgbt legislation
Social development is a matter of and emerges from material development, and so it is absurd to expect equal social development between countries of varying material development (of which China’s underdevelopment was a matter of Western colonialism/imperialism). It is inaccurate to say “anti-lgbt legislation”, and more accurate to say “lack of desirable pro-LGBT+ legislation” (same-sex relationships are legal in China, although same-sex marriage is not legally recognized for instance, with some concessions in this field, of which improvement has been occuring.
2020 report published in BMC Public Health:
“For member of the Chinese LGBT community, the greatest source of pressure to conform to societal norms of sexuality and identity comes from family members—particularly parents […] a higher level of economic development in provinces was associated with a decrease in discrimination, and we identified that every 100 thousand RMB increase in per capita GDP lead to a 6.4% decrease in discriminatory events perpetrated by heterosexuals […] he prevalence of this discrimination is associated with the economic development of the province in which it occurs.”
As such, development is conducive to progressive change, and development is prioritized in China, especially poverty alleviation, which more rapidly builds the base for improving LGBT+ acceptance/equality. Please read and don’t misrepresent things in the future.
There’s the thought-terminating epithet. The site doesn’t just link “propaganda”, it directly refutes what you have to say through hundreds of sources and direct rebuttals, but naturally that is impossible for you to admit or engage with.
Great to see some more scratched liberal homophobia as well.
Oh, see I’m asexual and don’t care what your orientation or gender is. It’s a known way to upset people. You’ll also notice that the only slur was tankie. So, suck a dick tankie.
Thought-terminating nonsense. It’s a homophobic insult regardless of your sexual orientation. Either way, you couldn’t refute my sources so it doesn’t really matter that you’re resorting to insults. Very clear coping mechanism.
You’re a dumbass western chauvinist who calls anything propaganda, regardless of claims being proven, because anything outside of your ideology regarding “regimes” cannot be accepted. Rather than proving anything I said wrong, you resorted to childish and bigoted insults, as encompassed in the term “tankie”, and in your homophobia, which you justified as being a different variety of queer yourself, and admitting to merely holding water for bigotry under the notion that “this insults people, and so must be used”, showing your ignorance not only in Chinese matters but also in your own arguments. You are the one carrying water for the U.S. (a murderous regime far surpassing China) through these narratives that are mainly propagated by them (as shown in the multitude of sources I linked) but under the guise of objectivity and opposition to extremes. You have one line which you can repeat as if it has some rhetorical power, when really it makes you seem pathetic.
Nothing
USA propaganda
USA conditions are so shitty for black people and other minorities that cities were being burned
French conditions for minorities are so shitty that there are protests there every day and many cities are on fire
Conclusion: Socialism >>>> (Capitalism = shit)
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Oh wait, you’re serious? Let me laugh even harder.
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Are we still pretending that China is a socialist country? Their social safety net is much worse than the US, which is regarding among the worst of OECD countries. I guess they still have a red and yellow flag so must be socialist utopia right?
China’s retirement age is 60 and it is governed by a proletariat party.
China’s President sent his own daughter to Harvard and China has wide income inequality, as well as the greatest proportion of millionaires and billionaires in the world. The wealthy in China go on day trips to Paris to literally eat cake.
Fuckin tankies man, hurts my brain.
Living in the US sucks
Living in China sucks (unless you’re on their soil, then it’s great!(please don’t take my organs))
Well, it may come as a shock to them, but having wealth in China improves your life considerably more than in the US. Unless of course, you challenge the Chairman.
The highest number of billionaires is the USA
Can you please define what socialism is for me?
Apologies, I thought China would’ve taken over by now. But quite a few do relocate to the US. I do see them travel quite a bit. I travel a lot too, and they do spend a bit of time in the US, but that’s mainly just shopping.
I would but this would be irrelevant. Can you define what Socialism with Chinese characteristics means?
Response to both 1 and 2:
because socialism isn’t defined by how many people in a country have a certain level of wealth. socialism is the transitional period between capitalism and communism, where the proletariat hold state power and build the conditions necessary for communism. before you can have communism you need to have the productive forces in place to make that economically possible. China chose the route of allowing capitalist investment to help develop its productive forces, while maintaining state power and overall control of the economy in the hands of the Communist Party. they decided that it was better for the country to become wealthy unevenly at first, rather than to keep socialising poverty
https://dengxiaopingworks.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/building-a-socialism-with-a-specifically-chinese-character/
as it happens there did arise a great degree of wealth disparity, which the state has begun to tackle since Xi’s leadership took over
and that’s something they’ll need to iron out over time
but the existence of billionaires isn’t a reflection of the class character of the state
you might find this article a worthwhile read https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
The Chinese state is cracking down on billionaires and the wealthy, to some extent, mainly as they are a challenge to the states own power. Not as a result of much else. Loyal ones, particularly close to Xi, are left alone.
China continues to be highly neoliberal in business practice, supported and subsidised by the state, if you’re in a key industry, particularly as China faces economic downturn. Chinese workers are pliant, and educated. Which is why Elon Musk is there.
The proletariat do not hold the power in China, they are seen as a threat by the Chinese elite. Hence a heavy surveillance state, and large propaganda arm.
The transition from socialism to capitalism, in theory, does not include a devolution back to capitalism lol. Xi Jinping has created more wealth for the Chinese elite than any other previous Chinese President. Unless you think the Germans were also socialist during the 30’s and 40’s.
It doesn’t sound like you read anything that I sent you.
Also, doesn’t seem like you know how the Chinese democracy works. All that I hear is complete misunderstandings said confidently.
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Dude they’re fucking state capitalists, not socialists. Also, cities were not being burned but way to parrot right wing talking points. In fact you could easily be a right winger hoping to drum up support. Hell, if you support China you already support anti-lgbt legislation so you probably are just some dumb fuck who thought he knew anything about the left.
Ugh such tired, ignorant arguments. Disappointing, especially for someone so sure of themselves.
Social development is a matter of and emerges from material development, and so it is absurd to expect equal social development between countries of varying material development (of which China’s underdevelopment was a matter of Western colonialism/imperialism). It is inaccurate to say “anti-lgbt legislation”, and more accurate to say “lack of desirable pro-LGBT+ legislation” (same-sex relationships are legal in China, although same-sex marriage is not legally recognized for instance, with some concessions in this field, of which improvement has been occuring.
2020 report published in BMC Public Health: “For member of the Chinese LGBT community, the greatest source of pressure to conform to societal norms of sexuality and identity comes from family members—particularly parents […] a higher level of economic development in provinces was associated with a decrease in discrimination, and we identified that every 100 thousand RMB increase in per capita GDP lead to a 6.4% decrease in discriminatory events perpetrated by heterosexuals […] he prevalence of this discrimination is associated with the economic development of the province in which it occurs.”
As such, development is conducive to progressive change, and development is prioritized in China, especially poverty alleviation, which more rapidly builds the base for improving LGBT+ acceptance/equality. Please read and don’t misrepresent things in the future.
So what did all those Uighurs do then?
Edit: you gonna bring up racial and ethinc issues in the US and not expect people to bring up China’s fuck ups?
https://xinjiangahr.carrd.co/
Oh sure, your propaganda is true.
Suck a dick tankie.
There’s the thought-terminating epithet. The site doesn’t just link “propaganda”, it directly refutes what you have to say through hundreds of sources and direct rebuttals, but naturally that is impossible for you to admit or engage with.
Great to see some more scratched liberal homophobia as well.
Oh, see I’m asexual and don’t care what your orientation or gender is. It’s a known way to upset people. You’ll also notice that the only slur was tankie. So, suck a dick tankie.
Thought-terminating nonsense. It’s a homophobic insult regardless of your sexual orientation. Either way, you couldn’t refute my sources so it doesn’t really matter that you’re resorting to insults. Very clear coping mechanism.
Or, you’re a full of shit tankie who is carrying a murderous regimes water like a good stooge.
You’re a dumbass western chauvinist who calls anything propaganda, regardless of claims being proven, because anything outside of your ideology regarding “regimes” cannot be accepted. Rather than proving anything I said wrong, you resorted to childish and bigoted insults, as encompassed in the term “tankie”, and in your homophobia, which you justified as being a different variety of queer yourself, and admitting to merely holding water for bigotry under the notion that “this insults people, and so must be used”, showing your ignorance not only in Chinese matters but also in your own arguments. You are the one carrying water for the U.S. (a murderous regime far surpassing China) through these narratives that are mainly propagated by them (as shown in the multitude of sources I linked) but under the guise of objectivity and opposition to extremes. You have one line which you can repeat as if it has some rhetorical power, when really it makes you seem pathetic.
Tankies don’t do everything they can to discredit the left challenge