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    -11 year ago

    I agree that morals are relative considering there are a ton of people who still believe black people are inferior and also places with slavery.

    Something can be morally objective if every single person in the world believes it but I can’t think of a single example of that.

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        11 year ago

        That would be the case if morals were something we can measure outside the human experience. Unfortunately there is no way to measure if something is moral or not outside how someone feels about it.

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            11 year ago

            Not really, if absolutely every single human at all stages of life believed it’s morally good to spit in their palm every day that would be an objective moral truth, there would be no subjectivity to it. For morals though no such thing exists.

            You don’t need to be able to observe it externally to distinguish it. For example i can say I have a conscious experience and that would be objectively true even though we have a pretty minimal understanding on what that really is or how to measure it.

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                11 year ago

                You can measure brain activity but not consciousness. Consciousness is most likely an emerging property of brain activity but we can’t really say more with out current understanding of it.

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            11 year ago

            I’m not saying that, just that there’s no outside way of verifying if something is true or not in case of morals. I don’t believe objective morals exist because you can’t find a single moral stance shared among all of humanity not because you can’t measure the truth of that stance.

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              11 year ago

              Is suffering good or bad? I don’t mean that in a specific context, but any type of suffering in itself.

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                11 year ago

                I can’t really say about all kinds of suffering, it really depends on context.

                It’s like asking if all love is good. There are so many situations I can imagine it could be good or bad or even neutral.

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                  11 year ago

                  With out of context I mean in it’s nature. Imagine you have to cut off someone’s leg who doesn’t like pain and won’t profit from experiencing it during the amputation now or in the future, is it better to do it in the way it causes the most pain or the way it causes less pain, when it leads to exactly the same result?

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                    11 year ago

                    Oh in that context it’s absolutely worse. And in a complete vaccum where no action or even existence precedes or continues from that one moment of suffering it’s also bad.

                    Though because such a vacuum does not exist in reality suffering can be good. For example choosing to suffer to bring about some good outcome would be good. Or suffering that builds character for some future event. Also some forms of suffering are enjoyable to some people.

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                  11 year ago

                  Exactly, physical pain and other forms of suffering are an objective reality. You can, in theory at last, decide objectively whether any decision will lead to more or less pain immediately and in the future.

                  If you look at ethics you could assume the only axiom it has is that when comparing more pain or less pain, less pain is better. This is even independent from circumstance if you consider all suffering now and in the future that are consequences of an observed decision.

                  In my opinion that makes the decision whether something is morally bad or good objective in it’s nature.