No, it’s just stealing stuff. I’m a shameless pirate, but stop pretending that this is some noble resistance. The reality is that its a luxury someone is selling for a price, and we don’t want to pay the price, so we steal it. You could always just not consume it. That would be the noble move.
These gigantic companies lobbied your government to change how fair use and, most importantly, intellectual property laws worked.
Disney took classic stories in the public domain and made bank on top of them - and used this same money to prevent you from ever doing the same with their content.
So they abused their size to change the dynamic here.
Maybe, just maybe, that “justifies” it for some content, but certainly does not justify it for all, or even most, content. I know I’m not out pirating old Disney shit that should be open to all for free. And just looking at what’s popular on trackers, this seems pretty common. So even if nothing had changed most, if not all, of the content that is pirated would be protected.
Again, they’re shit, and I don’t care. But why not admit what you are doing? Why try to justify it? Just accepted it for what it is: you’re a dirty pirate happy to steal from them because they are shit.
People are saying it is morally justified to pirate which is the same conclusion your seemed to have reached. Nobody is saying it is legally justified.
It might just be a definition thing, but I doubt it, considering how pretty much every argument I’ve gone across is implying I said it was wrong. I view it as a neutral thing, but not justified. We’re talking about illegally taking luxury things because we don’t want to pay the price. If we were talking about no one getting hurt to take something you need, 100% justified. But we are talking about taking something you just want. I have no moral qualms about doing it, but I don’t claim to be justified in doing so.
Like I think it would be justified if it were for some piece of software that you really need but can’t afford, or would really make your life much easier. But for watching old Seinfeld episodes, or getting a new video game on release, it’s not.
It’s not stealing, it’s unauthorised redistribution. They don’t lose anything from piracy, except for potential customers, which is a pretty intangiable concept. Don’t think it’s even remotely as bad as going into a tech store and taking all their DVR’s, or even literal piracy by chasing down another boat with guns and taking their cargo.
Don’t think it’s even remotely as bad as going into a tech store and taking all their DVR’s,
We’re getting into the pedantic weeds, but I never said nor implied it was this bad. I don’t even think it’s bad at all, as I said elsewhere, it’s chaotic neutral. it’s just trying to paint it as justified is ridiculous.
We want something, we aren’t willing to pay the price to the person who actually owns it, and because no one gets hurt, we don’t have moral qualms taking it. But at the end of the day we are illegally taking something just because we want it. There’s no “justified” in that at all.
No, it’s just stealing stuff. I’m a shameless pirate, but stop pretending that this is some noble resistance. The reality is that its a luxury someone is selling for a price, and we don’t want to pay the price, so we steal it. You could always just not consume it. That would be the noble move.
They’re assholes so I just don’t give a fuck.
That logic would be valid… Two centuries ago.
These gigantic companies lobbied your government to change how fair use and, most importantly, intellectual property laws worked.
Disney took classic stories in the public domain and made bank on top of them - and used this same money to prevent you from ever doing the same with their content.
So they abused their size to change the dynamic here.
Maybe, just maybe, that “justifies” it for some content, but certainly does not justify it for all, or even most, content. I know I’m not out pirating old Disney shit that should be open to all for free. And just looking at what’s popular on trackers, this seems pretty common. So even if nothing had changed most, if not all, of the content that is pirated would be protected.
Again, they’re shit, and I don’t care. But why not admit what you are doing? Why try to justify it? Just accepted it for what it is: you’re a dirty pirate happy to steal from them because they are shit.
People are saying it is morally justified to pirate which is the same conclusion your seemed to have reached. Nobody is saying it is legally justified.
It might just be a definition thing, but I doubt it, considering how pretty much every argument I’ve gone across is implying I said it was wrong. I view it as a neutral thing, but not justified. We’re talking about illegally taking luxury things because we don’t want to pay the price. If we were talking about no one getting hurt to take something you need, 100% justified. But we are talking about taking something you just want. I have no moral qualms about doing it, but I don’t claim to be justified in doing so.
Like I think it would be justified if it were for some piece of software that you really need but can’t afford, or would really make your life much easier. But for watching old Seinfeld episodes, or getting a new video game on release, it’s not.
It’s not stealing, it’s unauthorised redistribution. They don’t lose anything from piracy, except for potential customers, which is a pretty intangiable concept. Don’t think it’s even remotely as bad as going into a tech store and taking all their DVR’s, or even literal piracy by chasing down another boat with guns and taking their cargo.
We’re getting into the pedantic weeds, but I never said nor implied it was this bad. I don’t even think it’s bad at all, as I said elsewhere, it’s chaotic neutral. it’s just trying to paint it as justified is ridiculous.
We want something, we aren’t willing to pay the price to the person who actually owns it, and because no one gets hurt, we don’t have moral qualms taking it. But at the end of the day we are illegally taking something just because we want it. There’s no “justified” in that at all.
I wouldn’t use the word “noble”. Probably “just” would be more correct.
Most of these companies are terribly unethical so I don’t feel bad about not supporting them.
sharing is literally not stealing