So, I have been both working, studying, and spent leisure time in India about a year in total. I lived for 6 months outside New Delhi in the slums. Made interview among tribes and people displaced by established nature tourism. Together with my wife. Been to tourist spots as well.
Yea you are kind of like a bunch of school kids sometimes. Just a bit scarier. I only encountered the grandiose self image besides India in the US.
My wife could not be alone a second.
The fascist Hindu nationalism is awful to see , for a western fascist probably laughable.
Just to be plain:
You think India is best in all the ways , for an outsider it’s like a bunch of people throwing everything in a pile and letting the strongest win.
Just the amount of people trying to prove forced marriage is so much better than the possibility for divorce or just marry who you want.
Of course different rules based on caste , one of my Indian friends who is kind of famous in the movie business still have a hard time based on his last name and actually trying to do some good in India.
The ads in your papers sounds like you selling cows rather than your sisters and daughters.
Don’t get me wrong there are great people , great movements and great things in India.
But overall WTF…
Today I would not return for leisure unless to visit friends there.
Awhile ago I learned that there’s a thing called casteism. I thought racism was extremely stupid, but casteism just cranks the stupidity to 11. So instead of discriminating against someone’s skin tone or nationality, you’re discriminating against literally nothing??? Whatever, man…
From what I heard in podcasts this is even a serious problem in the US tech scene, which hires a lot of professionals from India. Imagine being descriminated against by your manager because of caste in silicon valley.
Yea Hindu nationalism is kind of built around that. If you are poor you are poor because you deserve it. And we are rich because we deserve it etc…
Interviewed a guy from the Communist party about caste among other thing and even they have a hard time getting people out of the caste think among their own members.
It’s so hard rooted you need a revolution to even scratch the surface of it.
Yea Hindu nationalism is kind of built around that.
Well, you don’t really know what Hindu nationalism is, do you? It is the same as Zionism - A Hindu country that practises apartheid against other groups, barring a select few “allies”, like the Bohra and Ahmaddiya Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, Jains, Parsis, Jews and Christians. Hindu unity stems from removing casteism, at the cost of vilifying the Muslims.
If you are poor you are poor because you deserve it. And we are rich because we deserve it etc…
Also, you’ve not a clue about casteism. It has nothing to do with money. Caste is a social and political issue, not a religious one. Casteism is a by-product of spread of Vedic influences, and it exists in every religion practiced in India, including the Indian diaspora of Muslims and Christians.
Your lazy evaluation hurts the downtrodden castes in other religious communities. Watch this documentary first: India Untouched.
It’s so hard rooted you need a revolution to even scratch the surface of it.
Yes, leftist revolution is needed, but here’s a twist - most of the communist leaders in CPI(M) Kerala are all Hindu Brahmins or Catholic Brahmin Christians, with little to no diversity. Only socialist parties like Janta Dal (People’s Party) or Samajwadi (Socialist) Party has people from other castes.
You look like a troll LARPing as a communist. No leftist in their right mind would dehumanize other groups, by calling them apes.
Sure I’m no expert , just touched on the subject in my research. My focus was on the forced displacements done. Which was justified by many things caste , scheduled tribes that got “benefitted” by moved in to the desert. As I said very hard ingrained everywhere. but of course it’s about money and power. Just like everywhere else religion , social and politics, tradition and so on can justify it.
Just like money is about politics.
Bad wording on my part.
King of the hill politics then if you wish.
Im just not a hippie that wants to justify shitty thing since they got high in Goa once. Who’s larping uh.
Is this with respect to Rajput/Jat/Gujjar/Thakur supremacy in the cow-belt areas (somewhere around Rajasthan)? Well, I am not surprised.
It also reminds me of sub-nationalism, which is a real problem. Malayali chauvinist have practiced this to drive native Tuluva, Koraga and Kodava folks out from Kasargod, which is the northernmost districts of Kerala, home to the minority community. I’m a Tuluva, so I know about this. Similarly, Kannada, Telugu and Marathi chauvinists have also similarly imposed their language on many minorities.
Language chauvinism may have some casteist intentions, with how they force language, appropriate culture and destroy language of the tribals, but not necessarily - Kodava, Konkani and Tuluva aren’t tribals - they’re just minority Hindu communities, with Christians in the Konkani demographic.
Sure. Sorry if beeing confrontational. Started this after a few drinks.
Main research was MP tourism establishing stealing lands, Many were tribal others not. A big cohort of foreign and domestic money , corruption and violence (direct and indirect).
Well, that explains a lot. Of all the places you could’ve gone to, you chose Delhi, an anti-diverse, generally regressive society, which most Indians from other parts of the country avoid with a burning passion.
Not Mumbai, Chennai, Bengaluru or Kochi. Not Ooty, Shimla, Kozhikode, Mangaluru, Mysuru, Vishakapatnam, Lonavla or Nagpur.
Based on that one single experience, you generalized the entire country. That’s not fair?
Not really I did some work there. I also been around in both the north and the south. So you kind of just assumed stuff. Most my work I did in madhya pradesh.
I also been around in both the north and the south
Most my work I did in madhya pradesh.
Madhya Pradesh is not “South”. Anything below Maharashtra is South India. The name Madhya itself means central. You reduced the entire population of India to the poor attitude towards caste-ism and woman’s right that is prevalent in Hindi belt.
Yea I travelled quite a lot , spent as much time in Kerala as I could when writing , but fieldwork included quite a lot of not so nice places. Including everything from government officials to displaced villages. In Banglore I only saw offices and traffic unfortunately since lack of time. But made some stops along the way in-between southern Kerala and banglore. Drove a bike so very interesting trip.
Mysuru province (not just the city Mysuru, but also areas involving Bengaluru and other neighboring areas) would be a nice case-study on language supremacy. Comparing that area with Karavali (Konkani area), Tulu Nadu (Tulu area) or Kodagu (Kodava area) should explain the attitude of majoritarians towards the minorities in the joke of a cluster they call Karu Nadu, or Karnataka.
You think India is best in all the ways , for an outsider it’s like watching apes trying figure out a society.
People like you should be stopped at borders, if India is so much scarier than your Western country where getting mugged is almost guaranteed at night, or women need to carry knives for protection against rapists. Besides, how is a bigot like you allowed on Lemmygrad?
Do not worry too much about my cortisol levels. I am a fitness/nutrition freak and love my green tea and eggs.
You know since you can’t ban me here like you did before in another place.
GOS has nothing to do with this discussion, and I do not think I ever banned you, unless you are one of the people who broke c/privacy rules at some point. I regularly ban many spammers and idiots, and ones people report to mods. Besides, what is your original alias? Lol. Also, I do not care.
The fact is, that while Indian society is rough and less “westernised”, other countries’ societies are unhealthy, extremely individualist, apathetic, have straight up inferior food cuisine to ours, lack things like Ayurveda and Yoga incorporated into our culture for thousands of years, and have mentally deranged amounts of consumerism, and instead of just street quacks, you people have legal street quacks as Big Pharma who work with the food industry to keep people diseased. Not to mention, similarly or even worse as far as safety goes in many countries, even if we exclude USA (guns). UK has limits on knifes for civilians with no locking and blade length of 4 inches, compared to Indian laws allowing upto 9 inches of blade length for civilians.
The only hippie here is you, who thinks installing GOS on Pixel actually allows him to become 1337 hackerman lmao. Oh, also having really hot racist takes on Indian society, like calling Indians “apes trying to figure out a society”.
May that’s my hacker skills that does that lol.
Again kindly f off you troll. Go bicker with Mickay.
I assume it’s hard though since you were kicked out everywhere for beeing on his level as well.
So that’s why GOS mods last year attempted to fabricate lies about me in an attempt to get me demodded off of c/privacy, to hijack Lemmy, and upon failure, mass downvote all my comments using alts, abusing federation. My guess is that is also partially happening in this thread, and it does not help that you love GOS.
I do not know in which universe you live, because I successfully moderate c/privacy and c/technology here, and Lemmy users are happy.
So, I have been both working, studying, and spent leisure time in India about a year in total. I lived for 6 months outside New Delhi in the slums. Made interview among tribes and people displaced by established nature tourism. Together with my wife. Been to tourist spots as well.
Yea you are kind of like a bunch of school kids sometimes. Just a bit scarier. I only encountered the grandiose self image besides India in the US.
My wife could not be alone a second.
The fascist Hindu nationalism is awful to see , for a western fascist probably laughable.
Just to be plain: You think India is best in all the ways , for an outsider it’s like a bunch of people throwing everything in a pile and letting the strongest win.
Just the amount of people trying to prove forced marriage is so much better than the possibility for divorce or just marry who you want.
Of course different rules based on caste , one of my Indian friends who is kind of famous in the movie business still have a hard time based on his last name and actually trying to do some good in India.
The ads in your papers sounds like you selling cows rather than your sisters and daughters.
Don’t get me wrong there are great people , great movements and great things in India.
But overall WTF…
Today I would not return for leisure unless to visit friends there.
*Edited due to poor wordings.
Awhile ago I learned that there’s a thing called casteism. I thought racism was extremely stupid, but casteism just cranks the stupidity to 11. So instead of discriminating against someone’s skin tone or nationality, you’re discriminating against literally nothing??? Whatever, man…
From what I heard in podcasts this is even a serious problem in the US tech scene, which hires a lot of professionals from India. Imagine being descriminated against by your manager because of caste in silicon valley.
Yea Hindu nationalism is kind of built around that. If you are poor you are poor because you deserve it. And we are rich because we deserve it etc…
Interviewed a guy from the Communist party about caste among other thing and even they have a hard time getting people out of the caste think among their own members.
It’s so hard rooted you need a revolution to even scratch the surface of it.
Well, you don’t really know what Hindu nationalism is, do you? It is the same as Zionism - A Hindu country that practises apartheid against other groups, barring a select few “allies”, like the Bohra and Ahmaddiya Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, Jains, Parsis, Jews and Christians. Hindu unity stems from removing casteism, at the cost of vilifying the Muslims.
Also, you’ve not a clue about casteism. It has nothing to do with money. Caste is a social and political issue, not a religious one. Casteism is a by-product of spread of Vedic influences, and it exists in every religion practiced in India, including the Indian diaspora of Muslims and Christians.
Your lazy evaluation hurts the downtrodden castes in other religious communities. Watch this documentary first: India Untouched.
Yes, leftist revolution is needed, but here’s a twist - most of the communist leaders in CPI(M) Kerala are all Hindu Brahmins or Catholic Brahmin Christians, with little to no diversity. Only socialist parties like Janta Dal (People’s Party) or Samajwadi (Socialist) Party has people from other castes.
You look like a troll LARPing as a communist. No leftist in their right mind would dehumanize other groups, by calling them apes.
Sure I’m no expert , just touched on the subject in my research. My focus was on the forced displacements done. Which was justified by many things caste , scheduled tribes that got “benefitted” by moved in to the desert. As I said very hard ingrained everywhere. but of course it’s about money and power. Just like everywhere else religion , social and politics, tradition and so on can justify it.
Just like money is about politics.
Bad wording on my part. King of the hill politics then if you wish.
Im just not a hippie that wants to justify shitty thing since they got high in Goa once. Who’s larping uh.
Is this with respect to Rajput/Jat/Gujjar/Thakur supremacy in the cow-belt areas (somewhere around Rajasthan)? Well, I am not surprised.
It also reminds me of sub-nationalism, which is a real problem. Malayali chauvinist have practiced this to drive native Tuluva, Koraga and Kodava folks out from Kasargod, which is the northernmost districts of Kerala, home to the minority community. I’m a Tuluva, so I know about this. Similarly, Kannada, Telugu and Marathi chauvinists have also similarly imposed their language on many minorities.
Language chauvinism may have some casteist intentions, with how they force language, appropriate culture and destroy language of the tribals, but not necessarily - Kodava, Konkani and Tuluva aren’t tribals - they’re just minority Hindu communities, with Christians in the Konkani demographic.
At least we can agree on something
I’m tired, let’s stop this here.
Sure. Sorry if beeing confrontational. Started this after a few drinks. Main research was MP tourism establishing stealing lands, Many were tribal others not. A big cohort of foreign and domestic money , corruption and violence (direct and indirect).
Well, that explains a lot. Of all the places you could’ve gone to, you chose Delhi, an anti-diverse, generally regressive society, which most Indians from other parts of the country avoid with a burning passion.
Not Mumbai, Chennai, Bengaluru or Kochi. Not Ooty, Shimla, Kozhikode, Mangaluru, Mysuru, Vishakapatnam, Lonavla or Nagpur.
Based on that one single experience, you generalized the entire country. That’s not fair?
Not really I did some work there. I also been around in both the north and the south. So you kind of just assumed stuff. Most my work I did in madhya pradesh.
Madhya Pradesh is not “South”. Anything below Maharashtra is South India. The name Madhya itself means central. You reduced the entire population of India to the poor attitude towards caste-ism and woman’s right that is prevalent in Hindi belt.
How’s your reading capabilities? Try again , notice “most” “and”. Read slowly. Kerala was sure better but still my wife never went anywhere alone.
Sorry, my bad. I had to make that assumption since you did not provide the name of cities you’ve been to at the South.
Yea I travelled quite a lot , spent as much time in Kerala as I could when writing , but fieldwork included quite a lot of not so nice places. Including everything from government officials to displaced villages. In Banglore I only saw offices and traffic unfortunately since lack of time. But made some stops along the way in-between southern Kerala and banglore. Drove a bike so very interesting trip.
Mysuru province (not just the city Mysuru, but also areas involving Bengaluru and other neighboring areas) would be a nice case-study on language supremacy. Comparing that area with Karavali (Konkani area), Tulu Nadu (Tulu area) or Kodagu (Kodava area) should explain the attitude of majoritarians towards the minorities in the joke of a cluster they call Karu Nadu, or Karnataka.
People like you should be stopped at borders, if India is so much scarier than your Western country where getting mugged is almost guaranteed at night, or women need to carry knives for protection against rapists. Besides, how is a bigot like you allowed on Lemmygrad?
Removed by mod
The downvotes tell me I attracted and triggered the racists. I usualy refrain from interacting with Hitler style denialists.
Well ,I have never said anything about other places (beside the US comparacy), you know since we discussed India…
Indian system is crap and this is true weather other places are crap as well.
But you just have an issue with me since you have an issue with a GOS dev. You should just block me instead of getting your heart rate up.
You know since you can’t ban me here like you did before in another place.
This is why Lemmy readership is dropping, btw
Do not worry too much about my cortisol levels. I am a fitness/nutrition freak and love my green tea and eggs.
GOS has nothing to do with this discussion, and I do not think I ever banned you, unless you are one of the people who broke c/privacy rules at some point. I regularly ban many spammers and idiots, and ones people report to mods. Besides, what is your original alias? Lol. Also, I do not care.
The fact is, that while Indian society is rough and less “westernised”, other countries’ societies are unhealthy, extremely individualist, apathetic, have straight up inferior food cuisine to ours, lack things like Ayurveda and Yoga incorporated into our culture for thousands of years, and have mentally deranged amounts of consumerism, and instead of just street quacks, you people have legal street quacks as Big Pharma who work with the food industry to keep people diseased. Not to mention, similarly or even worse as far as safety goes in many countries, even if we exclude USA (guns). UK has limits on knifes for civilians with no locking and blade length of 4 inches, compared to Indian laws allowing upto 9 inches of blade length for civilians.
0k sure pal, move along now then, hippie.
The only hippie here is you, who thinks installing GOS on Pixel actually allows him to become 1337 hackerman lmao. Oh, also having really hot racist takes on Indian society, like calling Indians “apes trying to figure out a society”.
May that’s my hacker skills that does that lol. Again kindly f off you troll. Go bicker with Mickay. I assume it’s hard though since you were kicked out everywhere for beeing on his level as well.
So that’s why GOS mods last year attempted to fabricate lies about me in an attempt to get me demodded off of c/privacy, to hijack Lemmy, and upon failure, mass downvote all my comments using alts, abusing federation. My guess is that is also partially happening in this thread, and it does not help that you love GOS.
I do not know in which universe you live, because I successfully moderate c/privacy and c/technology here, and Lemmy users are happy.
Don’t think you’ve ever been in a Western country if you think this is true. Go visit more places