It’s just like communism in that it entirely ignores the needs and capacity of an individual and makes them slaves to the idealism of the state.

They’re no better than a homeless encampment because you can’t give people a house and then expect them to act like a homeowner overnight. It was the wrong problem to solve, and I think people rush to solve it out of self conscious guilt and a desire to quickly make the apparent parts of the problem disappear from common view.

It’s a cruel and ridiculous strategy.

HN has had enough of those damn moochers, too:

I have found that many people who receive housing benefits are very poor stewards of their personal resources.

The first thing someone does when they get housed is to invite all their homeless friends over, to shower, to eat, to crash, to do drugs, to play games, whatever.

So your typical Section 8 housing recipient is not just a single person/family benefiting from housing, they’re dragging in their entire circle of loser friends who don’t have those benefits, and so now you’ve got a cluster of mooches who aren’t invested nor responsible for disruption or damage in that community.

It’s really an unfortunate thing, and I just saw it over and over again. So many people lose their benefits very quickly because they can’t resist helping other folks out, but that’s not what you do with welfare and entitlements.

    • flere-imsaho@awful.systemsEnglish
      101·
      11 months ago

      no worries, the fucking thread is full of fucking americans just not understanding that what they hate are fucking american cities which aren’t built for living in them

    • sue_me_please@awful.systemsOPEnglish
      71·
      11 months ago

      Both those comments are voted down and replies aren’t agreeing.

      They weren’t when I posted them.

      HN has its biases and problems, but I think you’re misrepresenting it.

      No I’m not.

      Oh and link to the entire thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38979970

      No, I’m linking the posts with the actual content in the OP.

      Federating was a mistake.

      • Soyweiser@awful.systemsEnglish
        10·
        10 months ago

        They weren’t when I posted them.

        And thus by observing we changed teh outcome. inhales this is just like quantum mechanics.

      • corbin@awful.systemsEnglish
        7·
        10 months ago

        I’m reminded of this conversation from last autumn, where HN moderators deleted posts only after they were used as receipts. It is a maddening sort of gaslighting to be told that HN isn’t that bad while the moderators only take action in order to make HN look good.

        • self@awful.systemsEnglish
          7·
          10 months ago

          fucking exactly, that thread has prime examples of both dang and friends burning receipts, and of the gaslighting orange site regulars do whenever the site gets called out for covering for fascists. there’s also this interesting part where some asshole tried to signal jam the thread with nonsense — they’d reply to every critical post with an extremely long, unasked-for series of infodumps about the orange site’s moderation policies, in an attempt to overwhelm and control the conversation like they do on HN. weird how when you piss them off enough to drop the pretense, orange site posters just start doing fash shit

      • self@awful.systemsEnglish
        71·
        11 months ago

        yeah, I think our guests might be better off spending more time on the orange site with the race scientists, bigots, and other “biases and problems” they seem fond of minimizing, instead of posting here

        • self@awful.systemsEnglish
          121·
          11 months ago

          it’s fucking fascinating how many times I’ve seen the “it’s downvoted, what’s the problem” thing from orange site regulars, when the fash element on that site doesn’t particularly care about downvotes if they can still control the conversation. plus there’s the degree to which the orange site’s shit moderation structure covers up these issues — anything problematic just gets deleted way after it’s had its intended effect. then you watch orange site regulars defend mass flagging trans and antifascist folks off of the site, and you realize none of this is an accident or due to incompetence; these systems are working as intended to empower bigots. flagging on HN isn’t an anti-spam measure, it’s a way to invisibly give control to the worst people on the site.

          • corbin@awful.systemsEnglish
            7·
            10 months ago

            Exactly! Quoting myself from the conversation I linked above:

            With [HN] in mind, I don’t really want to give Dan G. any benefit of the doubt. He’s had years to decide whether to open-source the forum, add features like a moderation log, switch the forum to invite-only mode, add reputation tracking, etc. It’s his website, and he chooses to leave these comments up.

            At this point, reporting bad posts only serves to let Dan G. and his buddies sweep the fascists under the rug.

            • self@awful.systemsEnglish
              8·
              10 months ago

              hacker news really is the cryptocurrency of tech sites: incredibly poorly implemented (dang begs folks to log out when threads get popular), controlled by technofascists, enabled by an extremely mediocre but remarkably fanatical fanbase, and everybody’s abusing amphetamines nootropics. but any day now, they’ll come up with something that solves all of its problems! it’s only been 16 years!

              why in fuck is tech like this

    • sbv@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      56·
      11 months ago

      Woah woah woah! Going back to the original thread instead of raging out?! What’s going on here?

      Thanks for the link.