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  • Mnglw
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    24 months ago

    wait so you’re telling me I’m gonna be forced to use spectacle on wayland if I use KDE?

      • Mnglw
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        14 months ago

        sighh, that sucks

        does this go for pretty much all programs, like say an email client too? or is there a limit to this?

        • @[email protected]
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          34 months ago

          Does it suck? KDE also has screenshotting implemented. It makes sense that your window manager should manage your windows, which includes being in charge of what can see what. Letting any app screenshot your entire monitor is not secure.

        • Something Burger 🍔
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          4 months ago

          Only those that must interact with non-standard Wayland protocols, such as screen capture tools (like OBS), clipboard managers, WM utilities like xdotool… Other programs such as email clients or text editors are unaffected.

          However, this is a non-issue as far as most users are concerned. There are only a handful of implementations (basically, GNOME, KDE, and wlroots which is used by most Wayland WMs) and most modern programs which require specific support to work are all compatible.

          • Mnglw
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            -24 months ago

            still frustrating as all hell, these programs just worked on x11

            also Synergy/Barrier/etc dont work yet and would need “non standard” protocols. Pretty critical for me

            I am an enduser and I just expect things to work, but one of the most critical things of my setup wont

              • Mnglw
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                -14 months ago

                I will be forced to, but x11 is no longer being developed, so its not very secure to do so

                additionally, Wayland is going to be default on kde, and Im not sure if that means that it’ll be default for me too if I update

                not to mention that with it default on KDE, I’ll be running into more and more bugs that just, will not be fixed, because “use Wayland” will be the new response to bug reports (GNOME actively does this with a critical GTK4/libadwaita bug)

                the point is, Wayland is being rushed and was never ready for default

                • @[email protected]
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                  24 months ago

                  x11 is no longer being developed

                  Says who?

                  additionally, Wayland is going to be default on kde, and Im not sure if that means that it’ll be default for me too if I update

                  So when it’s the default, you just pick X11 from the drop-down, like I do for Wayland today.

                  not to mention that with it default on KDE, I’ll be running into more and more bugs that just, will not be fixed, because “use Wayland” will be the new response

                  Speculation. Gnome devs are notoriously stubborn, I don’t see that being true for KDE.

                  the point is, Wayland is being rushed and was never ready for default

                  15 years is not a rush, and for most people it’s ready. Making it the default will serve as a push to get developers to make their applications support it.

    • @LeFantome
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      24 months ago

      Most applications get their Wayland support from the toolkit they are written in. Qt ( KDE ) and GTK ( GNOME ) apps are going to work in any Wayland compositor.

      Some applications do “desktop” related things like try to take screenshots to set global hot keys. Wayland, strictly speaking, does not allow this. This becomes the job of the “compositor” ( Window Manager ) and so, if an application wants to do those things, it has to know how to talk to the compositor.

      Increasingly, the desktop environments and compositors are aligning on how to surface some of these capabilities to applications in a common way.