The government under which a corporate entity operates has direct and meaningful impact on a lot of things about said company. For instance: US companies are subject to ITAR regulations, and there are MASSIVE penalties for breaching those laws. Russia is a totalitarian surveillance state, so I wouldn’t trust any security software from a Russian company. Much the same way that I wouldn’t trust any logic design or 3D modeling software coming out of a major Chinese company, because the CCP has a long and storied history of stealing and reverse engineering shit that they’re not legally allowed to.
Out of curiosity what do you think of Nginx, which was Russian based and used to have its main offices in Russia (that also got raided by Russian police) or Arch Linux, where one of the main packagers (up to 30% of official packages) is managed by Felix Yan (which I believe is a Chinese citizen)? Where is the line drawn? Is it only for profit companies, security software, or something specific?
Both examples you listed are open source, so anyone can review their code. No government can dictate what gets published to the code, and if they can, it will be noticed and get forked.
This probably sounds pedantic but based on this the issue isn’t that the software is Russian. It’s that the software is under the regulation of an authoritarian government (which is Russia)
Precisely. If kaspersky were 100% open source, I would not have said what I did. But it’s closed source, and it’s owned by a Russian company, subject to Russian laws, and Russia is a authoritarian state, hostile to most of the world at this point - either directly or indirectly - so one would be forgiven for assuming the worst, in terms of what was put in the code at the FSB’s behest.
The difference is that someone from one of the countries we’ve discussed can contribute to software projects that they like, without fear of rejection for simply who they are.
And that matters to a lot of people, including me. Not everyone is lucky like you all of being born in the right place at the right time.
Nginx is 2-clause BSD, which I would argue is more “Open Source” than Arch Linux (official repo contains proprietary components such as discord, steam, multimedia codecs). You could argue that the majority of it (and it’s build system) is open source, but probably not “Arch Linux” is fully Open Source.
The government under which a corporate entity operates has direct and meaningful impact on a lot of things about said company. For instance: US companies are subject to ITAR regulations, and there are MASSIVE penalties for breaching those laws. Russia is a totalitarian surveillance state, so I wouldn’t trust any security software from a Russian company. Much the same way that I wouldn’t trust any logic design or 3D modeling software coming out of a major Chinese company, because the CCP has a long and storied history of stealing and reverse engineering shit that they’re not legally allowed to.
Out of curiosity what do you think of Nginx, which was Russian based and used to have its main offices in Russia (that also got raided by Russian police) or Arch Linux, where one of the main packagers (up to 30% of official packages) is managed by Felix Yan (which I believe is a Chinese citizen)? Where is the line drawn? Is it only for profit companies, security software, or something specific?
Both examples you listed are open source, so anyone can review their code. No government can dictate what gets published to the code, and if they can, it will be noticed and get forked.
This probably sounds pedantic but based on this the issue isn’t that the software is Russian. It’s that the software is under the regulation of an authoritarian government (which is Russia)
Precisely. If kaspersky were 100% open source, I would not have said what I did. But it’s closed source, and it’s owned by a Russian company, subject to Russian laws, and Russia is a authoritarian state, hostile to most of the world at this point - either directly or indirectly - so one would be forgiven for assuming the worst, in terms of what was put in the code at the FSB’s behest.
Correct, but it’s a distinction without a difference.
The difference is that someone from one of the countries we’ve discussed can contribute to software projects that they like, without fear of rejection for simply who they are.
And that matters to a lot of people, including me. Not everyone is lucky like you all of being born in the right place at the right time.
Arch Linux is open source which makes a huge difference. Idk about nginx tho
Nginx is 2-clause BSD, which I would argue is more “Open Source” than Arch Linux (official repo contains proprietary components such as discord, steam, multimedia codecs). You could argue that the majority of it (and it’s build system) is open source, but probably not “Arch Linux” is fully Open Source.