and plugins, and syntax highlighting, and multi buffer/multi window support, and LSP support so you can Go to Definition like in an IDE, and wAY more normal mode commands than anyone could ever hope to memorize. also when you do cw it deletes the word immediately instead of putting a dollar sign at the end before purring you in insert mode, and regex substitutions highlights text in the buffer as you type so you can see what you’re about to replace. it’s really quite cool. if you’re new to programming and/or feel like committing heresy you can even skin it to look and work like VS Code. people like to joke that we’re slowly but surely becoming emacs and they’re not entirely wrong.
Used vim since the mid 90’s, but switched to emacs at some point. It was wonderful for many years, but neovim has come so far that I switched back a few years ago. Could not be happier. The tools available for programmers these days are superb and neovim chief among them.
I mean, most of those things can be done in regular vim too. I’m probably going to switch eventually, but I haven’t really had any issues with vim that would motivate me to switch, and I haven’t really encountered anything super useful that nvim has that vim can’t also do. Though, I’ll admit lua is tempting, and better defaults are certainly a plus!
For search highlighting, the relevant options are :set hlsearch and :set incsearch. nvim just has those enabled by default. nvim also has a binding Ctrl+L to clear the search highlight. This isn’t in vim by default, but the vim-sensible plugin also adds it.
What do you mean by cw putting a dollar sign? I don’t think I’ve ever encountered that.
Edit: the vim syntax for Ctrl+L got eaten by markdown.
Vim and Neovim are pretty similar at this point honestly apart from the Lua and LSP integration (seriously, that feature is cool). The only difference I’ve really noticed is that in Neovim, when you :term, it opens the terminal in the active pane, putting the buffer you were working on in background. In Vim, it splits the screen and puts the terminal there. Vim also prompts you to confirm a :e if you haven’t saved the current buffer, even though it doesn’t close it, just puts it in the background (iirc?)
In the original vi, when you cw it doesn’t delete the word right away, only changing the last character of it to a $ so you can see where it ends, to save screen refresh. (This was actually a concern on the 1970s modems on which vi was developed.) When you type, it looks like you’re overtyping the word, but when you go back to normal mode it redraws the line and shows the rest of the line shifted over appropriately, so you replaced the whole word. Vim and Neovim redraw the line with every keystroke, which is not a problem even on today’s shoddiest internet connections, and is much more intuitive. vi only starts to do that once the word you’re typing becomes longer than the word it’s replacing.
Is the LSP support in nvim better than what you can get with plugins? I’m using coc.nvim with vim and yeah it is really cool.
I didn’t know about that :term difference. I think I prefer vim’s behavior there.
If you have :sethidden, then the current buffer will be hidden when you open a different file, and you won’t be prompted. Without it, vim doesn’t allow hidden buffers and will discard the buffer when you open a different file (which is why it prompts you). Vim’s defaults are very odd sometimes.
Huh, that cw behavior in vi does seem pretty jarring. Interesting, though. It makes sense why it was like that.
vi?
vim, or better yet, neovim
come to the 21st century, we have lua
and plugins, and syntax highlighting, and multi buffer/multi window support, and LSP support so you can Go to Definition like in an IDE, and wAY more normal mode commands than anyone could ever hope to memorize. also when you do
cwit deletes the word immediately instead of putting a dollar sign at the end before purring you in insert mode, and regex substitutions highlights text in the buffer as you type so you can see what you’re about to replace. it’s really quite cool. if you’re new to programming and/or feel like committing heresy you can even skin it to look and work like VS Code. people like to joke that we’re slowly but surely becoming emacs and they’re not entirely wrong.but the important thing is the lua.
Used vim since the mid 90’s, but switched to emacs at some point. It was wonderful for many years, but neovim has come so far that I switched back a few years ago. Could not be happier. The tools available for programmers these days are superb and neovim chief among them.
It’s probably because of Lua that the plugin ecosystem exploded in the recent years.
I’m glad I adopted neovim early.
I mean, most of those things can be done in regular vim too. I’m probably going to switch eventually, but I haven’t really had any issues with vim that would motivate me to switch, and I haven’t really encountered anything super useful that nvim has that vim can’t also do. Though, I’ll admit lua is tempting, and better defaults are certainly a plus!
For search highlighting, the relevant options are
:set hlsearchand:set incsearch. nvim just has those enabled by default. nvim also has a binding Ctrl+L to clear the search highlight. This isn’t in vim by default, but the vim-sensible plugin also adds it.What do you mean by
cwputting a dollar sign? I don’t think I’ve ever encountered that.Edit: the vim syntax for Ctrl+L got eaten by markdown.
Vim and Neovim are pretty similar at this point honestly apart from the Lua and LSP integration (seriously, that feature is cool). The only difference I’ve really noticed is that in Neovim, when you
:term, it opens the terminal in the active pane, putting the buffer you were working on in background. In Vim, it splits the screen and puts the terminal there. Vim also prompts you to confirm a:eif you haven’t saved the current buffer, even though it doesn’t close it, just puts it in the background (iirc?)In the original vi, when you
cwit doesn’t delete the word right away, only changing the last character of it to a $ so you can see where it ends, to save screen refresh. (This was actually a concern on the 1970s modems on which vi was developed.) When you type, it looks like you’re overtyping the word, but when you go back to normal mode it redraws the line and shows the rest of the line shifted over appropriately, so you replaced the whole word. Vim and Neovim redraw the line with every keystroke, which is not a problem even on today’s shoddiest internet connections, and is much more intuitive. vi only starts to do that once the word you’re typing becomes longer than the word it’s replacing.Is the LSP support in nvim better than what you can get with plugins? I’m using coc.nvim with vim and yeah it is really cool.
I didn’t know about that
:termdifference. I think I prefer vim’s behavior there.If you have
:set hidden, then the current buffer will be hidden when you open a different file, and you won’t be prompted. Without it, vim doesn’t allow hidden buffers and will discard the buffer when you open a different file (which is why it prompts you). Vim’s defaults are very odd sometimes.Huh, that
cwbehavior in vi does seem pretty jarring. Interesting, though. It makes sense why it was like that.rimusic