Cross-posted from: https://feddit.de/post/10013170

The war in Ukraine is “existential for our Europe and for France”, Mr Macron said in the interview on France 2 and TF1.

“Do you think that the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Estonians, the Romanians and the Bulgarians could remain at peace for a second [in the event of a Russian victory in Ukraine]?” he asked. “If Russia wins this war, Europe’s credibility would be reduced to zero.”

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    English
    367 months ago

    With Ukrainian family in kharkiv, Odessa, and kiev this is not a reasonable outcome in the slightest.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      -3
      edit-2
      7 months ago

      Yeah, that’s what losing feels like.

      I’m guessing you’re going to resort to terrorism if Russia conquers Ukraine? Could be interesting.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        127 months ago

        They’re still being killed there. Sure not occupied yet, but you said it’s the one reasonable thing to do.

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          English
          -177 months ago

          And peace would put an end to that.

          I don’t get the idea of doggedly pursuing liberation of the Crimea, etc. when it isn’t realistic and people are losing their lives.

          It’s better to have an okay-ish peace now and reorganise the country than to face total collapse if shortages continue.

          Perfection is the enemy of the good.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            English
            87 months ago

            Dude I’m talking about ceceding kharkiv and Odessa to Russia which is what you are saying is a reasonable solution

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              English
              -27 months ago

              Have you ever considered that Ukraine is just an investment for the West? They’d rather have Ukrainians dying than their own soldiers. They don’t actually think Ukraine can win, only weaken Russia.

              This is what all Western military strategists are saying.

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                English
                27 months ago

                Considering the crippling wheat and other exports Ukraine provides for the west, yeah, there’s a lot of reasons to invest into Ukrainian victory and survival. I’m not niave to believe the US cares about Ukrainian lives.

              • ArxCyberwolf
                link
                fedilink
                English
                12
                edit-2
                7 months ago

                Tell ya what, rent hasn’t been cheap. How about I come to your house and set a few things on fire and camp out in your living room and refuse to leave. I won’t hurt you if you don’t enter the living room, but I’ve claimed the whole room to myself. And you have no way of knowing if I’ll decide to take the kitchen next despite saying I won’t. Would you accept this? Because this is what you’re saying Ukraine should let Russia do to them.

                The only peace that can be achieved here is for Russia to be defeated and driven out of Ukraine entirely. Otherwise, all you are doing is enabling Russia to regroup, rearm and attack again for more territory.

                • lad
                  link
                  English
                  37 months ago

                  I recently read an article that states that maybe Putin kinda outwitted himself in the way that now even if peace could become a possibility this option will not be supported inside of the country because of how government positions are now appointed on the basis of being a war mongrel. Anyway, shit’s real bad and I’m glad I don’t make decisions for any side

                • @[email protected]
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  -57 months ago

                  I don’t support Russia, but you need to be realistic.

                  Who is going to be driving them out of Ukraine? Biden has refused to send the US military, and Congress refuses to send weapons.

                  • ArxCyberwolf
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    37 months ago

                    Ukraine will, with support from other countries, as they are now. We need more support for Ukraine, who has already done an excellent job stopping Russia’s progress. Ukraine can only get stronger with more support. Biden can’t send the US military because that turns into a full blown conflict between Russia and America, which would be worse for everybody.