• @aport
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    -411 days ago

    Ligatures 🤢🤮🤮

    • macniel
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      1111 days ago

      What’s wrong with Ligatures? It makes reading code a bit more tolerable.

      • Ephera
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        1110 days ago

        I mean, I certainly wouldn’t give someone else shit for using ligatures, but personally, I don’t like them, because:

        • they break with monospacedness. Everything is in a nice grid and you’ve randomly got these character combinations that needlessly stick out.
        • they sometimes happen in places where they really shouldn’t.
        • they hide what the actual characters are. Especially, if go to edit that code, my brain will really struggle for a split-second when there’s a ‘≠’, then I delete one character and rather than the whole thing disappearing, I’m left with a ‘!’.
        • @[email protected]
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          210 days ago

          they break with monospacedness

          The IDEs I’ve used had the ligatures be of the same character width as the original operator.

          • Ephera
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            19 days ago

            Oh, yeah, I meant that it makes two characters into one big one, visually reaching across two or three widths, or just having one of the characters larger than the usual grid, e.g. in := the equals sign reaches into the width of the colon.

            This reminds me of a recent Microsoft font¹, so naturally here’s a rant about that: They developed a feature, called “texture-healing”, which basically allows characters that normally need to cramp into one monospace width, like m or w, to reach into the space of neighboring characters, if those neighboring characters are narrow, like an i.

            In theory, not a terrible idea, but then you get this kind of hate crime:

            Obviously, might just be me again, but not having these letters align, just looks so much worse to me.

            ¹: It’s this font: https://monaspace.githubnext.com/

        • redfellow
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          110 days ago

          Do you also get surprised when you backspace a tab and suddenly it removes more whitespace than 1 characters worth?

          Or did you learn it fast and really never think about it?

          I think it’s more a “getting used to” thing, that once learned, you don’t think about, but it makes things more readable.

          • Ephera
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            310 days ago

            Sure, I could get used to it. But it being more readable is not even true for me, because the thing I got used to instead, is that != is the unequals-operator. I see that much more often than .

            • redfellow
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              310 days ago

              Studies show that ligatures improve readability, but I acknowledge that it’s likely untrue for outliers.

              • Ephera
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                210 days ago

                For monospace fonts? I’ve heard of such research for proportional fonts, where ligatures definitely make sense to me. But yeah, I wouldn’t assume such research to automatically translate to monospace.

    • Skull giver
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      710 days ago

      Ligatures are great. Don’t use them if you don’t like them, but don’t try to shame people for having different preferences.

      The biggest exception to using ligatures is in documentation. I believe Kotlin used (uses?) ligatures in some of its documentation, leaving the reader to figure out if they actually need to type ≠ or if != will suffice. Not a great move, even if the IDE will render the ligatures just fine!

    • redfellow
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      610 days ago

      I mean, we read code more than we write it. You just vomitted over something that increases readability. Maybe a time for a rethink?