Personally, I want nothing to do with them and I’m not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I moved to the Fediverse to get away from all these corpos.

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    Judging from their past and all the bad actions they have done in the past, bad for democracy, privacy, minorities and marginalised people and how openly they have a far/extreme-right bias. Well I feel extremely negative about them joining in. They were also part of destruction of another open/federated protocol in the past: they played big part in destroying XMPP/Jabber messaging. So I am afraid they will do their usual embrace, extend, and extinguish thing and their surveillance capitalist thing and yeah. no good. Best to block their instances outright.

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      Yeah, I was thinking of Jabber as well, when I heard this. For a brief period everything was perfect. Facebook and Google were both using Jabber. And even WhatsApp was using it, I think. So if you had an account somewhere you could actually chat with all your friends, totally unimpeded.

      EU should hurry up with their federation laws.

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        you can still use XMPP. i use it, my family uses it.

        hate facebook all you want (i certainly do) but dont act like normies would be living in a federated utopia without them. theyd be on whatever is closed source with the most number of people and the most advertising dollars behind it and the simplest user experience. normies like easy, and its hard to blame them.

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          Yes and no. Normies use federated systems too: Websites and email.

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            true. but don’t forget that when these things were new, they came kicking and screaming. think of how many people retired during the PC/internet boom just so they wouldn’t have to deal with it all at work. the entire world changed and made websites/email a necessity to exist and survive. i don’t really see a minor flavor of tech like microblogging following that path. people will have an option between “easy and closed source” and “mildly just a little technical but with freedom” and will choose to go with whatever is easy.

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      I was going to say, while we can’t do much about them adopting an open protocol, please defederate with them

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    Even if they were somehow not evil, the sheer volume would technologically destroy any instance that tried to federate with them.

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    They see the fediverse trend gain9ng steam with the rise of Mastodon and go “Oh sheit we need to be on that for $$$”. Proceed to embrace, extend, enshittify, and extinguish. Its nothing but Zuckerberg’s gasping breaths to try and stay relevant as his company begins the very slow, but inevitable, backslide into technological irrelevance.

    I will be leaving and/or blocking any instance that chooses to federate with anything related to Meta. They are antithetical to the entire foundation of the metaverse and they ruin everything they touch.

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    It’s an easy fix. If an instance you’re a part of federates with them then just move to a new instance.

    Hopefully this will put instance blocking on the top of the list.

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    They will datamine all federated users They will set up a CDN for uploads on their platform that will track you like v.meta.com or i.meta.com.

    They will probably train LLMs off the data. They will sell the data to advertisers or data brokers. They will most likely have ads or pay to boost.

    They will diverge from the standard once they have the majority of users like google does with chrome and the web.

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      They will set up a CDN for uploads on their platform that will track you like v.meta.com or i.meta.com.

      This is the only thing they couldn’t already do. They’ve probably already been datamining Fediverse users. No need to set up an instance for that.

      I agree with the v.meta.com and i.meta.com. We’ll have to establish some good alternatives by then so people don’t use them just because they work so well.

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    I guess I’ll just go back to reading books and watching movies full time.

    Fuck all of those tech giants.

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      Meta is more likely to pull people away from Twitter than Mastodon is, and having all of Twitter be run with ActivityPub / open to federation is a good thing.

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      Is that necessary though? I feel like we should let them join. If they do something malicious, then we can block them. IMO, it doesn’t make sense to just preemptively block them for no real reason.

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        It is wholly necessary. They will start massive data mining operations if they join, harming users of all instances.

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          Data mining can happen without any of that, everything you post in the fediverse is literally available for anyone to see. Realistically, the most harm they can do is build controlled communities that grow so huge that they drown out all of the fediverse’s open communities.

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              Yeah, it is. And I’m not saying that’s not a valid reason to resist companies in the fediverse, it totally is. I’m just saying the privacy concerns everyone is mentioning don’t really make sense, anything they could get, everyone already has

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                Yeah I kind of roll my eyes about it too. “Things you delete are there forever” - that’s literally how the internet has always worked. It’s like when people found out their snap chats and Instagram stories could be seen by anyone who worked at the companies…like fucking obviously, they DEVELOPED the app and host all the content?!

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            Look at what happened with Google Chrome and browser standards. We don’t want a company that dominates the landscape changing the rules in their favour.

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          I don’t think I could disagree more. We value the fact that this tech can be scraped, API’d and redistributed. That’s kinda point and partial cause of the protesting going with Reddit at this moment. ???

          We have abilities to block it ourselves. We want options and features to customize our personal experiences as we see fit. That’s what we are trying to build here.

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        They’ve demontrated their evil nature in the past, promoting divisive and inciteful material and anything to drive engagement for the sake of advertiser dollars. I don’t think we need to wait for them to do it again in the Fediverse. Better to head that shit off right up front.

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      Users can block entire instances/domains. No need to worry if your chosen instances is doing it for you.