• Tja
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    9 months ago

    No. My impressions are based on having lived it before the iron curtain fell.

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      Unless you’re over a 100 years old you lived in a totalitarian system masquerading as Communism.

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        See how you didn’t even have to ask which country it was? Because a 100% of communist countries became dictatorships ridden with poverty for the working class and gold plated luxury for the ruling class.

        I’m happy now somewhere in the middle in this terrible, terrible capitalism. Oh, and I’m free to leave anytime I want, if I don’t like it.

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          So do 100% of Capitalist countries without a strong democracy. In fact capitalism is the one designed to do so by concentrating capital.

          When we figure out communism or socialism there’s a really good chance it’s a strong democracy that prevents it from falling into totalitarianism. Will it be a bunch of anarchic communes in council? Lol no. Will workers share profit equally with executives? Probably.

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            So 60% of the time it works every time?

            I am a worker and I share profit with the terrible evil corporation I work for, BTW.

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          Funny how that’s a fallacy, and there have been countless largely communist organizations of human labor over history, which lasted just as long as capitalist society.

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          Yeah I don’t think we’ve figured out a good way past the charismatic sociopath problem. The best thing we’re going to have in the short term is a democracy with a strong emphasis on socialism.

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            So… most European countries and some in Asia / Oceania. Those topping every social welfare and happiness indexes…

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              Pretty much. Except even they could push it further if they weren’t still tiptoeing around the wealthy.

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      9 months ago

      But prepare for a 25 year old who lives in his mom’s garage in rural Indiana to try to debate you on the subject anyway.

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        He lives in his mother’s garage because he can’t afford to move out on the pittance he makes at work. It sure wasn’t communism that put him there

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          Holy fuck, now moderators remove messages they disagree with. Literally worse than reddit xD

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          Removed by mod

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        See how most of those polls are from 2009-2011, in the middle of the worst economic crisis in Europe in a century?

        And they weren’t thrown in jail for saying it?

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          Living in the first decade of capitalism after communism, where freedom of the media exposed all the reality, people were still broke but the state no longer provided free housing (and the build codes changed to no longer allow cheap crappy concrete blocks), old “communists” sold half of all infrastructure to their buddies (where did someone get billions during communism??) and professionals started charging higher rates because now they were free to migrate west if they didn’t earn a decent wage at home. Among others.

          As of 2024, things are quite different.

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      You mean the impressions of having lived in a dictatorship which discarded the idea of progressing towards communism? How is that relevant?

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        See how you didn’t even have to ask which country it was? Because a 100% of communist countries became dictatorships ridden with poverty for the working class and gold plated luxury for the ruling class.

        I’m happy now somewhere in the middle in this terrible, terrible capitalism. Oh, and I’m free to leave anytime I want, if I don’t like it.

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          Grade-school level history: I didn’t need to ask which country because all of the possible countries were puppet states of a single other country…

          Because a 100% of communist countries became dictatorships […]

          There are a total of 0 communist countries throughout history. Your lack of very basic knowledge is starting to make me cringe.

          I’m happy now somewhere in the middle in this terrible, terrible capitalism.

          That’s irrelevant. If you’re happy while I’m driving a nail through your eyes, does that make driving a nail through someone’s eyes a good thing? The fact that you are privileged doesn’t make a difference.

          Oh, and I’m free to leave anytime I want

          No, you’re not. Your statement is so completely uneducated, I couldn’t even guess where to begin dismantling it.

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            So cringe, yeet on fleek, fam. No cap.