The blog does not talk to Lemmy instances, nor Lemmy instances talk to the blog. The blog does not implement ActivityPub. Lemmy comments of the articles do not show up on the blog. You can follow the bot, and it definitely makes the content available, but it doesn’t fit most people’s understanding of “federated”. Twitter doesn’t federate with Mastodon, even if there are bots that copy Twitter content onto Mastodon.
Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a great initiative. But I think calling it federation is misleading.
Does anything? I’m genuinely asking. I know how to follow other accounts from Mastodon or Pixelfed - I don’t think there’s any way to follow another account from my Lemmy account? As far as I’m aware that functionality doesn’t exist in the first place anywhere, but happy to be told otherwise.
The blog does not implement ActivityPub
It does - I can follow it from Mastodon (or Pixelfed, or…). It’s using the Wordpress ActivityPub plug-in (doesn’t support Lemmy, but as per my previous comment I’m not sure that anything does).
Yes, you can use Lemmy from Mastodon. Read my comment again - you can’t use Mastodon from Lemmy… unless you can tell me where in Lemmy I can click on and follow Mastodon accounts? That’s why, in the Wordpress screenshot, Lemmy isn’t supported - no-one has a Lemmy feed for the posts to appear in. All the supported services have a timeline feed for the post to appear in. Lemmy doesn’t.
You can’t follow Lemmy users on Lemmy either. I actually think the Lemmy developers are planning on improving how Lemmy federates with other services, but they just have other stuff to focus on and aren’t as well funded as Mastodon.
However, you can follow Lemmy users on Mastodon. It’s also possible to follow Mastodon groups on Lemmy
Yes correct, which was my point to the other person. They claimed that the MS blog isn’t federated because it doesn’t offer full functionality in Lemmy, but it’s Lemmy itself which isn’t offering the full functionality in the first place - there’s no such thing as following a blog in Lemmy - so it’s just a strawman. All the services which support following a blog are able to follow the MS blog, therefore federated with all those services (which doesn’t include Lemmy).
I think it just seems disingenuous. Microsoft “federating” AI generated articles and fragmenting the comments leading to ActivityPub looking like a mess when in reality Lemmy and Mastodon and other services do interoperate in ways that are expected.
Maybe a better question for federation would be “can users interact with eachother?”
I think it just seems disingenuous. Microsoft “federating”
It’s not Microsoft doing anything - this was something a Microsoft employee did in his spare time so that we can follow the blogs from the Fediverse, which is a good thing. :-) He further encouraged people to give feedback if they’d like to see Microsoft officially have a Fediverse presence (via the Feedback link on the blogs home page).
I think I’m just kind of being somewhat extreme about it too. I mean, like, Microsoft has had support forums in the past. (I think even some that have been removed, etc) Lots of stuff like this moved to reddit, but I could see it possibly being successful with federation today.
(There were reasons it failed, like, bad UI, miserable account control, differences in how answers were displayed, etc)
The blog does not talk to Lemmy instances, nor Lemmy instances talk to the blog. The blog does not implement ActivityPub. Lemmy comments of the articles do not show up on the blog. You can follow the bot, and it definitely makes the content available, but it doesn’t fit most people’s understanding of “federated”. Twitter doesn’t federate with Mastodon, even if there are bots that copy Twitter content onto Mastodon.
Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a great initiative. But I think calling it federation is misleading.
Does anything? I’m genuinely asking. I know how to follow other accounts from Mastodon or Pixelfed - I don’t think there’s any way to follow another account from my Lemmy account? As far as I’m aware that functionality doesn’t exist in the first place anywhere, but happy to be told otherwise.
It does - I can follow it from Mastodon (or Pixelfed, or…). It’s using the Wordpress ActivityPub plug-in (doesn’t support Lemmy, but as per my previous comment I’m not sure that anything does).
Look at where my account is from in this comment
It’s also possible to ping Mastodon users to bring them into Lemmy discussions. @msftdevblogs
Yes, you can use Lemmy from Mastodon. Read my comment again - you can’t use Mastodon from Lemmy… unless you can tell me where in Lemmy I can click on and follow Mastodon accounts? That’s why, in the Wordpress screenshot, Lemmy isn’t supported - no-one has a Lemmy feed for the posts to appear in. All the supported services have a timeline feed for the post to appear in. Lemmy doesn’t.
You can’t follow Lemmy users on Lemmy either. I actually think the Lemmy developers are planning on improving how Lemmy federates with other services, but they just have other stuff to focus on and aren’t as well funded as Mastodon.
However, you can follow Lemmy users on Mastodon. It’s also possible to follow Mastodon groups on Lemmy
Yes correct, which was my point to the other person. They claimed that the MS blog isn’t federated because it doesn’t offer full functionality in Lemmy, but it’s Lemmy itself which isn’t offering the full functionality in the first place - there’s no such thing as following a blog in Lemmy - so it’s just a strawman. All the services which support following a blog are able to follow the MS blog, therefore federated with all those services (which doesn’t include Lemmy).
I think it just seems disingenuous. Microsoft “federating” AI generated articles and fragmenting the comments leading to ActivityPub looking like a mess when in reality Lemmy and Mastodon and other services do interoperate in ways that are expected.
Maybe a better question for federation would be “can users interact with eachother?”
It’s not Microsoft doing anything - this was something a Microsoft employee did in his spare time so that we can follow the blogs from the Fediverse, which is a good thing. :-) He further encouraged people to give feedback if they’d like to see Microsoft officially have a Fediverse presence (via the Feedback link on the blogs home page).
I think I’m just kind of being somewhat extreme about it too. I mean, like, Microsoft has had support forums in the past. (I think even some that have been removed, etc) Lots of stuff like this moved to reddit, but I could see it possibly being successful with federation today.
(There were reasons it failed, like, bad UI, miserable account control, differences in how answers were displayed, etc)