Something that i find prettyd disgusting these days is how certain people put their political ideologies / viewpoints over human lives, for example, celebrating the russian invasion of ukraine because it is “a blow against US / NATO imperialism” completely ignoring all the warcrimes, the deaths, and the suffering generated by that war, the same happening with the palestinian genocide because “Israel is the only working democracy on the middle east”, acting like their ideoligies are going to bring back to life all the dead people somehow

  • enkers@sh.itjust.works
    161·
    9 months ago

    Sometimes, but it’s more complicated than that. It depends on the ideology. Sometimes ideologies clash in ways that can’t be reconciled without the loss of life. For example, I think it’s a good thing that the rest of the world collectively put our ideology above the lives of Nazis, and fought in ww2.

    • DessertStorms@kbin.social
      141·
      9 months ago

      The allies didn’t fight the Nazis because they took issue with their ideology, but because they became a threat to their own powers. The reality is, that many people, including leaders of the time, weren’t interested in helping those being persecuted, in some cases they even inspired the persecution with their own.

      The U.S. and the Holocaust (BBC, PBS) is well worth watching the whole way through, especially for how it mirrors our world today.

      • enkers@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        9 months ago

        Yeah, I’m generalizing here, and that’s a very good point you bring up. I think whenever you have an ideology that claims to be the “one true x”, which in the case of Nazism was the belief in a racial hierarchy, if that ideology is expansionist, it will by necessity become an existential threat to other ideologies. You can say it became a threat to their power, but is that not also a threat to their ideology? Perhaps I’m using an overly broad conception of ideology here.

        I’ll have to add that documentary to my watch list. Looks informative!

        • DessertStorms@kbin.social
          31·
          9 months ago

          if that ideology is expansionist, it will by necessity become an existential threat to other ideologies.

          This is it right here, and it’s why the world didn’t really care what a threat Putin was until he fully invaded Ukraine, or about the Uyghur genocide, or the treatment of North Koreans, or Gazans, or Kurds, and on and on - the people responsible for those are, quite deliberately, trying to keep their actions as much as they can within their own territory to avoid giving any other country reason to physically get involved (though they are deeply involved otherwise in the supports, financial and otherwise, that they provide, often to both sides of a conflict).

          You can say it became a threat to their power, but is that not also a threat to their ideology? Perhaps I’m using an overly broad conception of ideology here.

          No, you’re right here too, the “good guys” aren’t that good at all, and are only acting to defend their own interests - hoarding wealth and power, and maintaining the systems that enable them to do that at the expense of everyone else.
          In actuality capitalistic imperialism specifically has and continues to claim more lives than probably all of the others combined (not only directly through war and invasion, but also through hunger poverty and preventable diseases which are a requirement and an inevitable result of artificial scarcity and commodification of what are basic human rights for profit), but history is written by the victors, and we are indoctrinated from birth in to false ideas of what humanity, freedom, and justice actually mean, in service of keeping us in line.