• pjwestin@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    OK, here’s the thing; the Republicans are generally mustache twirling bad guys, but the Democrats are rarely good or neutral, especially at the federal level. They have nice rhetoric, but they never live up to it. Clinton gutted welfare, expanded mass incarceration, and ended Glass-Steagall (which directly led to the 2008 housing market crash). Obama abandoned universal healthcare, reneged on his promise to bailout homeowners, and created the largest domestic spying program in human history. Again, even in the topic you came up with, Democrats did literally nothing to advance gay rights, it was the Supreme Court.

    It’s very tempting to boil politics down to a binary, good/evil choice, especially now that at least half of the Republican party is openly supporting facism, but you can’t just assume the Democrats are the good guys. If their voters don’t hold them accountable for their broken promises and inaction, the country will continue to slide into this right-wing hellscape we’re all facing.

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      8 months ago

      If the voters punish democrats for not immediately bringing utopia, it will ensure a slide into right wing fascism.

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        8 months ago

        You should punish the Democrats when they act like conservatives. If you don’t, you don’t have ideals, you just like rooting for a team, and you might be happier following sports, not politics.

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          8 months ago

          But you don’t understand the difference between “not being Leftist” and “being conservative”. There’s a big gulf between those two.

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            8 months ago

            You’re talking in vagueries and I’m dealing in specifics. Address any of the concrete examples I’ve given of the Democrats taking explicitly conservative positions or just stop.

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              8 months ago

              No, because as soon as I talk about one you’ll just immediately pivot and move the goal posts to something else. I’m not dumb. Getting into specifics is a trap. You just cherry pick things to set a false narrative that’s not representative of democratic politicians as a whole.

              The end result is that every politician must be perfectly in line with everything you want, with no compromise, at all times, or they’re just as bad as the people actually opposing you. Which is why Leftists never win elections. No politician is ever good enough for you because politics involves compromise.