Software engineering has no culture - shared or otherwise. It’s just a job, you clock in, you clock out, it’s the same prison as anything else but with the comfort of WFH. The only maybe cultural aspect is that people refuse to unionize, but that’s a different issue and a result of material pressures (far too much demand for jobs gives uneven bargaining power).

Bezos, musk, gates et al were never seen as heroes by those who don’t idolize capitalists and corpos to begin with, and are still seen that way by the rest.

The future is indeed tech solutions and always has been, not an-prim nonsense and tech will indeed save us (and already has from every problem tackled thus far in humanity’s history, every disease etc.), but those tech solutions have to be aligned with humanity’s interests, and to do that you need to remove the exploitation incentive and the way you do that is by changing economic systems to communism or anarchism.

Idk I don’t find it very frustrating, it’s very clean cut in my opinion.

Are you a moron? Because you sound like one. Are you really equating wageslaves working for Google instead of facilitating the sale of gazillions of far more unethical products at their local Walmart by being an associate customer success checkout wagie or smth to soldiers committing attrocities? Do you not even realize the “you hate prison, yet you participate in it - curious” levels of bullshit that view entails?

Because if you did that you’d be a moron. You are a moron.

No, it isn’t

Okay I’ll bite:

How is AI anarchist

Running a local FOSS AI model that allows one to generate images, text, code and even video circumvents the power of the capitalists by giving the proletariat the means to produce themselves much more readily and with far fewer startup capital required, plus being able to train a model on the internet turns it into a trap for corporations who want their intellectual property to stay theirs, as now anyone can violate IP laws readily, similar to what the internet did to copyrighted media (paying for stuff being just a suggestion via the magic of P2P).

what do you mean by anarchism

For a good starter I’d suggest “The Conquest of Bread” and “Mutual Aid: A Factor in Evolution” by Peter Kropotkin.

how does this relate

There is no moral, and there’s no such thing as culture. These are spooks in your head. There is no “community” either, that’s a spook too.

There are wageslaves (proletariat or ‘working class’) who want a roof over their heads, their best chance is to slave for corporations who’s primary product of exploiting the proletariat labour ends up being technology of some kind, be that a toaster or a marketing tool, most workers have no choice or way to affect that.

Capitalists who own these enterprises are those who make the calls because they own the means of production.

It’s that simple. There are no other forces at play here.

You want to change that? Better start practicing communism, e.g. by working on foss AI projects or even foss in general.

Nah I already proved you wrong in the comment I linked

Okay you claim to be expert but you are wrong so maybe we need better?

@TerrorBite @LainTrain @[email protected] @vzq @programming Hi.

I’m not able to comment on the entire thread, but I wanted to point something out that LainTrain commented on in another part of the thread.

When I say “tech industry” I absolutely mean the companies. When I say “tech community”, I mean the workers.

You can substitute “tech” in those descriptors for something more specific (i.e., “security industry” salesdrones pitch blinky boxes at Black Hat USA while the “security community” shares exploit tricks for drinks at DEF CON – two very different beasts).