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Two members of the Orange Unified School District board have been removed by parents who opposed a policy requiring school staff to out transgender kids.
Parents in Southern California have voted to remove two conservative school board members after they spearheaded a policy that forcibly outs transgender students to their guardians.
Members of the Orange Unified School District board voted 4-0 to enact the policy in September. It was passed at 11:30 p.m., after the three opposed members walked out and withheld their votes.
The policy states that parents must be notified when a student seeks “to be identified as a gender other than the student’s biological sex or gender listed on the student’s birth certificate or any other official records.” This includes names, nicknames, and pronouns, and applies even if the student hasn’t taken action but has discussed the matter with a counselor.
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At the initial meeting in September, the board was overwhelmed by crowds who showed up to either protest or support the policy. However, the majority of the attendees voicing support did not have children in the district’s schools, and most were not residents of the area, according to the Times.
Nothing bothers me about that at all. It bothers me when people blame parents for not being close to their kids like it’s always the parent’s fault. Kids are secretive for millions of reasons and reducing it to “they are secretive when there is something wrong with the parent” is not fair at all to them.
Guess what? Kids exploring gender identities is not some scary dangerous thing, and if you have the right bond with your kids, they will tell you. These “outing” prohibitions are there to protect the kids from parents who have created such an environment at home that the kids don’t feel safe telling them.
Children aren’t some objects that parents own and control.
I never insinuated ownership. That’s a jump you made. Kids hold things back for more reasons than the parents. There are plenty of people that do things their parents don’t know about for whatever reasons they justify.
That’s no reason to force teachers to share everything they know with parents, especially since this is specifically targeted at kids who explore their gender identity, rather than something harmful that might actually justify alerting parents.
You came in here initially defending a legal mandate that targets vulnerable children, and now you’re defending yourself as if your original point was that parents should be more involved in their children’s lives.
Nobody disagrees with you on the latter, only the original argument you are now trying to deflect from.
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Everybody needs to drink fresh water every day and mind their own business, and stay in their own lane, including the kids.
Absolutely deranged take in response to this conversation. If anyone needs to mind their own business it’s the transphobic ghouls trying to force teachers to out queer kids to their parents.
And maybe you. Absolutely zero self awareness to butt into a conversation to tell everyone else to mind their business, and add nothing else to the conversation but your own nose.
I never disagreed with any mandates or agreed with them in any shape or fashion. I disagreed with blaming parents for their kids not wanting to tell the parents.
So all of the parents who emotionally and physically abuse their their queer children are faultless, and abused children should unconditionally trust their abusers because they’re their parents and must know what’s best?
And now you’ve spent the last 8 hours angrily arguing this in a thread about queerphobic educational mandates, because you have absolutely no opinion about the mandares of which we are all discussing?
C’mon man… You don’t have to die on this very stupid hill. You don’t even have to admit that you are wrong. You can just stop digging this hole.
I’m not defending anyone that abused anyone. Read the fucking writing. I’m saying that MOST parents aren’t given a chance to even know about every kid. Kids build up these gigantic pillars of fear and don’t even give their parents a chance to respond.
Am I talking about the dicks that bully their kids? No. I’m talking about every day parents that love their kids and are kept out of the dark for the kid’s choice. It happens all the time. Then they grow up and realize all their fears were their own doing.
I have seen it soooooooo many times.
Are there shitty parents that are crappy? Yes. But that is not who I was talking about at all. Read what the fuck I wrote.
Going out on limb here, but you sound like you’re venting about your relationship with your own kids. Given your belief that kids don’t deserve privacy, such a lack of trust in you would be entirely deserved.
If this isn’t the situation, it will be someday, if you ever raise a kid without dropping the helicopter parent routine.