• Jojo@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    I would be very surprised if the population of “people upset by the use of a teapot/bunny as a test render” was even within a couple orders of magnitude of “people upset by the use of a porn photo as a test image”

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      8 months ago

      Is a little shoulder porn now?

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        8 months ago

        No. But the fact that it isn’t obviously from a porn shoot doesn’t change that it’s from a porn shoot. The model has indicated she doesn’t want it used for this, and other women have indicated they are bothered by this.

        Are you really insinuating that there isn’t any other possible standard besides this exact photo to demonstrate methods?

        See? I can straw-man too.

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          doesn’t change that it’s from a porn shoot

          Your point? (I’d call it more erotica than porn but that’s irrelevant.) If your culture sexualizes nudity per se that’s not my problem and if nudity offends you well that’s your problem. She consented to this, was an adult at the time, got paid for it and moved on (and, for most of her life, couldn’t care less).

          The model has indicated she doesn’t want it used for this

          It’s a pretty valid reason to me and it would be nice if people respected that. Do note that Playboy has the rights of the photo though, not her, but chose to let it slide 'cos… free publicity.

          there isn’t any other possible standard besides this exact photo

          I never said that. It’s an old photo, along with all the other photos of the time it should’ve been retired ages ago, on technical grounds.

          But these are not the reasons the IEEE is banning the photo, now are they?

          This is an interesting video on the matter.

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            She consented to this, was an adult at the time, got paid for it and moved on

            Sorry, consented to what? And what does that have to do with this? The existence of the photo or its continued use as a photo and as porn are not at issue.

            Do note that Playboy has the rights of the photo though, not her

            And again, this isn’t a rights issue. Lena isn’t upset because her rights are being violated, and neither is anyone else.

            I never said that.

            And I never said photos of shoulders are porn. You made a straw man or my argument, so I made a straw man or yours. Neither one was particularly useful to discuss.

            Of course there were reasons the photo was chosen originally, convenience and the fact that it has just the right amount of complicated detail. But those don’t really matter now because, as you said:

            It’s an old photo, along with all the other photos of the time it should’ve been retired ages ago, on technical grounds.

            People are upset because the use of a photo from a porn shoot, especially one that has no other particular reason to use it besides “tradition,” is emblematic of a culture that is exclusionary to women.

            Any defense of the use of this photo which does not address those points isn’t really a good faith argument.

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              Any defense of the use of this photo which does not address those points isn’t really a good faith argument.

              According to you.

              Tradition is not really an excuse for anything really.

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                8 months ago

                If you’re making arguments on this issue with someone who feels the photo should not be used because using a cropped porn photo is offensive or derogatory, those are the points that should be addressed. Another approach might be to address why it should be used instead of some similar image, but it seems you agree with me that there is no good reason another image couldn’t be used.

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                  8 months ago

                  In this day and age, and considering the model expressed so, there’s really no reason to continue to use the image, no.

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        8 months ago

        Except that people do, in fact, remember. Sure, if society gets destroyed and future archeologists find the cropped photo and that’s all that remains of it, it’s not a porn photo any more. But for now, people know where it came from. That matters.

        Edit: typos, clarity

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            8 months ago

            I mean obviously this is a porn device, it has access to the Internet. How is that relevant? One’s personal devices are exactly where one’s porn should be, not in an academic paper about image processing.