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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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    8 months ago

    Yeah I mean I shouldnā€™t be surprised really. Iā€™m more surprised it took me so long to realize they were around. If nothing else Esperanto seems to have been losing mindshare to other conlangs like Toki Pona.

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      I donā€™t know if it really is losing mindshare. Toki Pona is really popular among a very loud minority.

      On one hand these people just may be learning it, because itā€™s an interesting conlang, nothing against that. Learn whatever language you like.

      Then the loud part of the Toki Pona community learn it partially because they think itā€™s morally superior to other eurocentric conlangs like Esperanto. And those will eagerly say to you, that Toki Pona is the best language ever. So maybe is the perception that Esperanto is losing mindshare, because of Toki Pona, just a result of working propaganda by that very loud minority.

      Esperanto is also in general not a very popular language, as its normally compared to English for its audacity to become a lingua franca. Still, to my knowledge itā€™s still the largest constructed language community. Toki Pona or other languages need to get to that level of sophistication which Esperanto already aquired during 136 years of its existence.

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        8 months ago

        I could barely learn a 3rd language (French) so the idea of trying to learn one more is daunting, even if Esperanto is designed to be easy to learn.

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          so the idea of trying to learn one more is daunting, even if Esperanto is designed to be easy to learn.

          Even that would people contest. For me it was easier to learn and I think there things in the language, which make it easier to learn. BUT that idea that itā€™s truly universal ā€œeasierā€ is often criticized and doubted. Which leaves me with a disappointing ā€œmaybeā€ with a slight tilt to ā€œitā€™s easierā€, so ā€œmaybe itā€™s easier?ā€.

          I could barely learn a 3rd language (French) so the idea

          If we keep in the idea set of how Esperanto came about, then the idea was to learn two to three languages and be a world citizen afterwards. Two languages, because that would be your mother tongue and Esperanto and for three languages that would be your mother tongue, the language of your region like for cultural heritage reasons and Esperanto to be a world citizen.

          I learnt Esperanto after i learnt English in school. Itā€™s my third language and I belong to those who got afterwards more confident, that I could acquire another language by myself. So for some people itā€™s easier to learn and it brings them then the confidence, that when they find motivation to learn a specific new language, that they could do that.

          I myself am still stuck with three languages, because I did not had a strong motivation to learn an additional language. There are too much languages and there are too much conflicting incentives to learn one over another. Wanna understand China? Learn Mandarin! Learn one of the other big languages in the world for financial progress! Then learn Spanish! Be supportive of the deaf community! Then learn one of the many dialects of sign language!