I am not satisfied with Linux’s security and have been researching alternative open source OS for privacy and security So far only thing that’s ready to use is GrapheneOS (Based on Android) but that’s not available on desktop (Though when Android release Desktop mode it may become viable)

Qubes OS is wrapper around underlying operating systems, so it doesn’t really fix for example Linux’s security holes it just kinda sandbox/virtualize them

OpenBSD is more secure than Linux on a base level but lack mitigations and patches that are added to linux overtime and it’s security practices while good for it’s time is outdated now

RedoxOS (Written in Rust) got some nice ideas but sticks to same outdated practices and doesn’t break the wheel too much, and security doesn’t seems to be main focus of OS

Haiku and Serenity are outright worse than Linux, especially Haiku as it’s single user only

Serenity adopted Pledge and Unveil from OpenBSD but otherwise lacks basic security features

All new security paradigms seems to be happening in microkernels and these are the ones that caught my eyes

None of these are ready to be used as daily driver OS but in future (hopefully) it may change

Genode seems to be far ahead of game than everything else

Ironclad Written in ADA

Atmosphere And Mesosphere Open Source Re-implementation of Nintendo Switch’s Horizon OS, I didn’t expected this to be security-oriented but seems like Nintendo has done a very solid job

Then there are Managarm, HelenOS, Theseus but I couldn’t figure out how secure they are

Finally there is Kicksecure from creators of Whonix, Kicksecure is a linux distro that plans to fix Linux’s security problems

if you know of any other OS please share it here

  • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
    23·
    9 months ago

    They are not much more than buzzwords, and I did my research. Nothing is “dealbreaker” about not using Pixel/Graphene, and it is perfectly okay to use other Androids with plenty security. They sell snake oil dreams and pretend theirs is the only solution, and that sounds dishonest. Not to mention, them lying in YouTube comment sections on how they bought $1M Israeli Cellebrite kits and Pixel/Graphene combo is immune to bootloader attacks.

    I do not see the developer and his internet minions lying as a source of increasing trustworthiness in the project, not to mention their FUD and dogma dissemination cultist tactics that fool privacy seekers. They are not keen on improving or teaching security, but in fooling and scaring people for personal benefits.

    • dsemy@lemm.eeEnglish
      2·
      9 months ago

      They are not buzzwords. I do agree that the project and its members could improve in many ways, but this is unfortunately true for many security focused projects.

      • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
        13·
        9 months ago

        The ultimate result is not much more than buzzwords is what I mean. Memory security exists in Android to a great degree, and there are many protection mechanisms besides the obvious app sandboxing in general.

        The project leader and his minions lie too much, refuse accountability, and this is not drama. It dissolves trust in any code they make or modify. The developer has to be morally trustworthy and honest first. If it was like a Linus being rude situation, it does not matter, because he is honest and his moral intent and heart is in good direction. Micay and “security” weirdos are the opposite in FOSS community.

        • dsemy@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          9 months ago

          You also made incorrect claims, bordering on lies honestly, as you didn’t seem to be familiar with hardened_malloc and MTE at all, and then doubled-down and called them buzzwords and then deflected in this very comment by claiming you meant “the ultimate result is not much more than buzzwords”. Then you proceeded to personally insult them.

          Your behavior is much less extreme but not so different to the kind of behavior you’re criticizing. But at least Daniel Micay and his “minions” are working very hard to enhance the security and user experience of their users, even if you believe their efforts amount to minor improvements at best. So why should I trust you over them?

          • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
            13·
            9 months ago

            Why should you trust me? Well, because I am not telling you to trust me. And I am only telling with hard evidence that they are working hard to harass, witch hunt critics, lie about everything, spread FUD and dogma that Pixel/Graphene is the only solution to world’s problems. They are NOT working to make phone security more accessible, or to clear doubts, but to increase doubts and fear.

            The reality is that you cherrypicked marketing nonsense, and 1 feature that firstly practically amounts to nothing, and secondly dismisses the immense risks of Google’s proprietary security chip that brings with it a whole set of new issues that are directly related to security being verifiable and trustworthy. Apple’s “security” chips have all been hacked to date, both the ones in iPhones and MacBooks, leaving permanent backdoors, and Pixel is going to be no different with a refusal to open source the chips.

            It is not insult to insult people that insult everyone. It is facts. Calling a Nazi a Nazi for example would not be an insult. Micay and other clowns have harassed FlorisBoard and Bromite devs on GitHub trackers by falsely calling them “neonazis” and other things, just as example. They deserve not just scrutiny but a lot of bashing for the horrible things they do to FOSS community members and all kinds of people, and they will receive every single bit of it for dodging accountability.