Amen to that. My late father only went into a mental decline when he settled into a retirement lifestyle. He was a sharp and intelligent person. As year after year rolled by with him watching TV, and essentially doing nothing differently, year over year, he slowly lost any ability to think critically, and eventually the ability to even form a coherent sentence. This is a man who held multiple degrees, in bookkeeping and teaching, and has taught highschool computers courses since before I was born, for at least 20+ years (I’m not entirely sure how long). When he was forced to retire from teaching, he kept busy with some odd jobs, usually security work. It kept him active and thinking about things, and he drew up procedures and documentation about his post-retirement jobs that I’m certain are still used at those jobs. Once he gave it all up, things started to slide away from him. Within 10-15 years he was nonverbal, living in a nursing home before passing away. I think he made it to age 80. He passed a few years ago now, and I’m still disappointed in myself that I didn’t learn more from him.
That said, he was human and had his flaws. I won’t get into that. The point is, he was with it until he started to get into a set routine which didn’t encourage him to do any thinking. His mind withered away and left him incapable of even forming words. You have to exercise your brain. We all lose it eventually, but ignoring it will make it happen faster. I feel like my dad’s story is proof of that.
The bookkeeper you describe is what I refer to as a “lister”, aka, someone who can follow a set list of instructions to the letter very well, but lacks any additional critical thinking. If they’re presented with something that is unexpected, they shut down. Listers tend to refuse to learn, and lack the skills to interpret what’s in front of them and make a rational choice given the options that they have.
I’m not trying to demean people who need lists, they’re usually very capable, possibly well learned individuals, but they always think inside the box, so to speak. These people are great at doing repetitive tasks that cannot be otherwise automated. They can complete very complex tasks as long as the dialogs, knobs, buttons, switches, and other controls are consistent.
Some are so inept that even changing something as trivial as a background image in their desktop will cause them to be incapable of finding the buttons that they need to do what they need to do.
I never actually scorn or ridicule such people, clearly they do a sufficient job for what they’ve been tasked with. I try to be understanding, but I can’t help but express my frustration having to fix their problems, time and time again, simply because they have no way to learn to do it themselves. Again, I don’t express this to them. When dealing with them I’m very understanding. “That’s fine”, “that’s what I’m here for”, etc.
My job exists, in large part because of such people. Their inability to comprehend the information in front of them is simply my job security. I do what I can to eliminate or at least minimize the frequency of such things and they are usually grateful for it. Sometimes there’s nothing to be done and the user simply needs to learn to perform additional tasks before things work, so I tend to try to review what was done, as a list of steps, with pictures if possible, to them via email, so they can go about fixing it themselves as long as they can find my instructions.
I don’t give them my pity, they don’t need it. Most of them are making more money than I am anyways. I don’t hate them for it, it provides job security. I’m very neutral on it, but it can be rather frustrating sometimes.
I have a similar story from a legal assistant. I don’t know how long she had been working the job, but the only way she knew to find a file was through the word open dialog. She didn’t use sticky notes, but otherwise it was much of the same story. If she needed to open a word perfect document, she would open ms word, file, open, browse, navigate through the folders quite competently, then find the WP file, right click and open with word perfect. WP would open and the file would appear. I was baffled the entire process. I tried to tell her that she can just use Explorer, but I couldn’t get the words out, I was just so shocked at what I was seeing.
In the end, I just told myself: “well, if it works for her, I guess it’s not really a problem that needs to be fixed”.
I corrected whatever issue she was complaining about and moved on.
That was one of the worst, but certainly not the only story I have about people doing stuff in weird ways. Everyone is different, and I embrace that difference. If they’ve found a way that works and works for them consistently, who am I to say it’s wrong? It’s still baffling at times though.
I usually get “I’m not techy” from people who are otherwise very competent users, who have a handle on all of the basics. They navigate file systems appropriately and efficiently, they have an understanding of the structures and rules that govern the digital landscape; but they are willfully ignorant of expanding that knowledge any further. If they would take the time to look into it, they could easily figure it out, but they’re unwilling to learn any more than they already do.
It’s the willfully ignorant that I have a problem with. If you need lists of instructions to do simply tasks, then you’re not willfully ignorant, you’re in the category of being a lister. If you’re constant adapting to new technology and able to learn how things that you currently use are changing, but refuse to expand into new areas for your own betterment, then they’re willfully ignorant.
I have a ton of thoughts on this and it’s hard to create simple criteria to qualify whether someone isn’t capable or isn’t willing, so I’ll stop there. IMO, everyone on Lemmy, at least right now, doesn’t fall into these categories, if they did, they’d still be on Reddit (or whatever social media system they came from). An active refusal to accept change is a cornerstone of the mentality, both for listers and the willfully ignorant. Anyone with that mentality hasn’t made it to this platform yet.
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Amen to that. My late father only went into a mental decline when he settled into a retirement lifestyle. He was a sharp and intelligent person. As year after year rolled by with him watching TV, and essentially doing nothing differently, year over year, he slowly lost any ability to think critically, and eventually the ability to even form a coherent sentence. This is a man who held multiple degrees, in bookkeeping and teaching, and has taught highschool computers courses since before I was born, for at least 20+ years (I’m not entirely sure how long). When he was forced to retire from teaching, he kept busy with some odd jobs, usually security work. It kept him active and thinking about things, and he drew up procedures and documentation about his post-retirement jobs that I’m certain are still used at those jobs. Once he gave it all up, things started to slide away from him. Within 10-15 years he was nonverbal, living in a nursing home before passing away. I think he made it to age 80. He passed a few years ago now, and I’m still disappointed in myself that I didn’t learn more from him.
That said, he was human and had his flaws. I won’t get into that. The point is, he was with it until he started to get into a set routine which didn’t encourage him to do any thinking. His mind withered away and left him incapable of even forming words. You have to exercise your brain. We all lose it eventually, but ignoring it will make it happen faster. I feel like my dad’s story is proof of that.
The bookkeeper you describe is what I refer to as a “lister”, aka, someone who can follow a set list of instructions to the letter very well, but lacks any additional critical thinking. If they’re presented with something that is unexpected, they shut down. Listers tend to refuse to learn, and lack the skills to interpret what’s in front of them and make a rational choice given the options that they have.
I’m not trying to demean people who need lists, they’re usually very capable, possibly well learned individuals, but they always think inside the box, so to speak. These people are great at doing repetitive tasks that cannot be otherwise automated. They can complete very complex tasks as long as the dialogs, knobs, buttons, switches, and other controls are consistent.
Some are so inept that even changing something as trivial as a background image in their desktop will cause them to be incapable of finding the buttons that they need to do what they need to do.
I never actually scorn or ridicule such people, clearly they do a sufficient job for what they’ve been tasked with. I try to be understanding, but I can’t help but express my frustration having to fix their problems, time and time again, simply because they have no way to learn to do it themselves. Again, I don’t express this to them. When dealing with them I’m very understanding. “That’s fine”, “that’s what I’m here for”, etc.
My job exists, in large part because of such people. Their inability to comprehend the information in front of them is simply my job security. I do what I can to eliminate or at least minimize the frequency of such things and they are usually grateful for it. Sometimes there’s nothing to be done and the user simply needs to learn to perform additional tasks before things work, so I tend to try to review what was done, as a list of steps, with pictures if possible, to them via email, so they can go about fixing it themselves as long as they can find my instructions.
I don’t give them my pity, they don’t need it. Most of them are making more money than I am anyways. I don’t hate them for it, it provides job security. I’m very neutral on it, but it can be rather frustrating sometimes.
I have a similar story from a legal assistant. I don’t know how long she had been working the job, but the only way she knew to find a file was through the word open dialog. She didn’t use sticky notes, but otherwise it was much of the same story. If she needed to open a word perfect document, she would open ms word, file, open, browse, navigate through the folders quite competently, then find the WP file, right click and open with word perfect. WP would open and the file would appear. I was baffled the entire process. I tried to tell her that she can just use Explorer, but I couldn’t get the words out, I was just so shocked at what I was seeing.
In the end, I just told myself: “well, if it works for her, I guess it’s not really a problem that needs to be fixed”.
I corrected whatever issue she was complaining about and moved on.
That was one of the worst, but certainly not the only story I have about people doing stuff in weird ways. Everyone is different, and I embrace that difference. If they’ve found a way that works and works for them consistently, who am I to say it’s wrong? It’s still baffling at times though.
I usually get “I’m not techy” from people who are otherwise very competent users, who have a handle on all of the basics. They navigate file systems appropriately and efficiently, they have an understanding of the structures and rules that govern the digital landscape; but they are willfully ignorant of expanding that knowledge any further. If they would take the time to look into it, they could easily figure it out, but they’re unwilling to learn any more than they already do.
It’s the willfully ignorant that I have a problem with. If you need lists of instructions to do simply tasks, then you’re not willfully ignorant, you’re in the category of being a lister. If you’re constant adapting to new technology and able to learn how things that you currently use are changing, but refuse to expand into new areas for your own betterment, then they’re willfully ignorant.
I have a ton of thoughts on this and it’s hard to create simple criteria to qualify whether someone isn’t capable or isn’t willing, so I’ll stop there. IMO, everyone on Lemmy, at least right now, doesn’t fall into these categories, if they did, they’d still be on Reddit (or whatever social media system they came from). An active refusal to accept change is a cornerstone of the mentality, both for listers and the willfully ignorant. Anyone with that mentality hasn’t made it to this platform yet.
I have to go back to work. Have a good day.