I dunno how many here have given it a try yet, or simply don’t ever intend to but are nevertheless a little curious, so I’m putting down some notes here.
Very basics:
- It’s very much a Twitter clone on the surface.
- It may depend on your setup, but in my experience I did not have to provide a phone number to sign up.
Onboarding details:
- Onboarding is pretty traditional social media, pick some interests, it pulls some accounts it associates with those and has them set to be followed unless you opt not to.
- It diverges slightly in that it then tells you your default feed will be Following with settings to disable showing replies/reposts/quote posts if you like (defaults are to display all of these).
- Where it gets much different is that it then offers you a selection of custom feeds to make your Main Feeds. For a very rough analogy, these can be a little like communities here or subreddits on Reddit, with more involved under the surface producing them.
- This analogy is made more apparent with “Topical Feeds” that try to relate to your previously selected interests.
- Lastly some basic adult/graphic content settings that let you adjust whether to show them outright, warn about them, or hide them completely (i.e. not display in your feeds at all). Defaults, aside from non-sexual nudity, are set to not display any of this and hide it all.
Actual use:
- Besides more granular graphic content filtering and emphasis on custom feeds, it’s pretty much like Twitter or Mastodon/Misskey/etc.
- You can kinda “lock” your account to make it less visible to those outside of Bluesky, but that’s the closest to limited visibility you’ll find at the moment so far as I could tell.
- Unlike say, Twitter and Mastodon et al: you can’t block/mute people from their posts, you have to go to their profile to do so.
10.1. Unlike Mastodon/Misskey/etc.: You can’t limit the reach of your posts, so they’re all maximally public, no option to post only to followers, no option to have replies be unlisted so they don’t kinda spam up follower feeds, etc.
10.2. You currently can’t upload gifs/short videos, though you can link them.
10.3. No audio posts either from what I gather (an option on Mastodon and I’d imagine Misskey and the like as well). - Despite missing those details, it does have similar levels of filtering tools to stuff like Mastodon, and more streamlined exchange of blocklists.
- Also while you can’t limit the reach of your posts, you can limit who can respond to them.
Some miscellaneous quirks
Something not mentioned as much is that the custom feeds are, at least at the moment, not really user friendly to try to make yourself. These very much have a vibe of something more tech-oriented people may make for others to use, even with the Skyfeed app to ease their creation. If anything the fact something like Skyfeed exists is some evidence of this.
The trick is, the custom feeds are genuinely more flexible than lists of accounts or followed hashtags/terms on Misskey or Mastodon, but at the moment Bluesky’s custom feeds seem kind of underutilized. Many of the custom feeds could simply be lists as found elsewhere.
Not sure how much of that is because the only existing platform using the AuthTransfer Protocol is Bluesky, technical challenge, or something else, but that’s the state of many of them for now.
Oh, and presently there’s no DMs, just as a stray detail to mention. Skimming convos I got the sense it may be to avoid giving people the sense of any private communications on there.
Also despite all these feeds and a more centralized model (dependent presently only on Bluesky’s relay), there’s still a sentiment from some there of the place being empty and lacking engagement. In the time I was poking about it, one of the “viral” posts in my discover feed was someone there, amusingly much like here and elsewhere on the fediverse, reminding people they have to engage/talk to others to get any engagement.
Some things really don’t change where you go online.
My overall takeaway thus far is that it’s pretty much par for the course with microblogging platforms, and not necessarily the best first showing of what the AuthTransfer protocol might really enable. Especially not with its lacking reach/privacy controls, not that any federated social media makes sense to promote as highly private, but still, some controls are better than none.
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Firstly, sorry for any potential derailment. This is a comment about the Markdown used in your post (I wouldn’t normally mention it, but consider it fair game since this is a ‘Fediverse’ community).
The spec for lemmy’s spoiler format is colon-colon-colon-space-spoiler. If you miss out the space, then whilst other Lemmy instances can reconstitute the Markdown to see this post as intended, Lemmy itself doesn’t generate the correct HTML when sending it out over ActivityPub. This means that other Fediverse apps that just look at the HTML (e.g. Mastodon, KBIN) can’t render it properly.
Screenshot from kbin:
Also, if you add a horizontal rule without a blank line above it, Markdown generally interprets this as meaning that you want the text above it to be a heading. So anything that doesn’t have the full force of Lemmy’s Markdown processor that is currently trying to re-make the HTML from Markdown now has to deal with the ending triple colons having ‘h2’ tags around it.
Screenshot from piefed:
(apologies again for being off-topic)
Oh! Thanks for the notice! I swear I think the spoiler stuff may have changed at some point, but maybe I’ve been handling it wrong this whole time.
I’ve also not really wanted to use horizontal rules because of it turning things into headings, but haven’t found a better way to put some spacing between the end of lists and the rest of a post’s text. I think I’ve corrected it properly now to be less jank.
Well, there’s good news and bad news.
The good news is that Lemmy is now surrounding your spoilers with the expected Details and Summary tags, and moving the HR means PieFed is able to interpret the Markdown for both spoilers.
The bad news:
It turns out KBIN doesn’t understand Details/Summary tags (even though a browser on it own does, so that’s KBIN’s problem).
Neither PieFed, or KBIN, or MS Edge looking at raw HTML can properly deal with a list that starts at ‘0’.
Lemmy is no longer putting List tags around anything inside the spoilers. (so this post now looks worse on KBIN. Sorry about that KBIN users)
Good reminder how confusing Lemmy’s particular markdown flavor is. TY.
This explains why I keep seeing those colons in plenty posts.
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Idea is that eventually others will be able to build atop their protocol and set up different “appviews” as they call them as well as relays and personal data servers. As I understand it, “appviews” may be viewed similar to what Lemmy and Mastodon are to ActivityPub, different ways to view data passed through ActivityPub.
Right now I think Bluesky may be the only such “appview” for their protocol parsing data from their relay, but the idea is you could spin up your own personal data server and maybe also your own appview, or choose from whichever may eventually exist, and that would be like your own “instance” connecting you to others via the appview parsing relay data.
So in other words, sort of yes to your first question, and it’s sort of because right now there’s only one AuthTransfer relay at the moment and that’s Bluesky, but the idea is that others could be spun up, allowing more independence from Bluesky as a company.
Yes, they opened federation a couple months ago and people are running their own PDS. It’s different from Twitter as people can own their identity, it’s only been out a little over a year, give it time dude. Mastodon is 8 years old. Blue sky has custom feeds over 40k of them made by various people, mute lists and block lists that are shareable and abled to be subscribed to, use identities are not tethered to instances, more controls of what they see and don’t see. You have a bunch of liberals and marginalised communities on there enjoying themselves. Why would go to Twitter?
use[r] identities are not tethered to instances
Tbh while this is technically true, given the current circumstances, identities essentially are tethered albeit in a roundabout way. What I mean by that is, there’s no real point to them* without some relay and appview to work with, and for now, that’s just Bluesky.
That said, I agree that it would be better to go to them than to Twitter (if they’re not even considering stuff like Mastodon), but that’s a low hurdle to clear.
*-A caveat, supposedly it could be possible for personal data servers to connect to each other directly instead of via relays, but I haven’t come across anyone having tried this yet.
You say that but it’s a one year old play form and protocol, of course it is just Bluesky. The Fediverse existed long before Mastodon and Mastodon is 8 years old, so I don’t get your point. That still doesn’t touch upon the negative to tethering users identity to instances. Many of them have tried Mastodon and it was a poor experience for them. So, it’s not an option. The Fediverse isn’t for everyone and that is absolutely okay. People are hoping to leave and not use Twitter/X, they have good alternatives that suits their needs and that should be celebrated.
That still doesn’t touch upon the negative to tethering users identity to instances.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. What I was trying to point to was that despite the portability of identity, the fact that you may still be highly reliant on the Bluesky relay (or frankly, any large relay), tethers your identity to them as without the relays there’s kind of no point to having a personal server at all.
Moreover, given the reference model provided via the Bluesky App, there’s a good chance you’ll run into similar arrangements on the AuthTransfer protocol where personal servers and appviews are joined together to essentially create instances (or entryway services I think they call them). One of the remaining distinctions from this entryway instance arrangement and ActivityPub then would be which relay or relays your entryway instance connects to.
Lastly I understand what you mean about people bouncing off Mastodon, but at the same time you kinda lose me here. You clearly mention the Fediverse preceding Mastodon yet then conclude with people having a bad experience with Mastodon meaning the rest of the Fediverse isn’t for them…? We’re using another variation of the Fediverse and ActivityPub here, so we’re both aware there’s more to it than that, even in the microblogging space, so I’m kind of confused on this point.
Nevertheless, I otherwise agree, it’s good that people have more alternatives to get away from the trashfire Twitter’s become (arguably even more of).
mute lists and block lists that are shareable and abled to be subscribed to
i do not want this. if i wanted this, i would be on twitter. even the mastodon block system is too extreme in my opinion. the lemmy system is good though.
Not sure why anyone would be interested in yet-another corporate-controlled platform
Copying my own reply to a similar question the other day: Most users don’t give a shit about the tech or politics, they just want to go where the people they are interested in are, and most of them don’t care either! Bluesky is actively promoting itself as the new old Twitter, so that’s where people who want that are going.
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amusingly much like here and elsewhere on the fediverse, reminding people they have to engage/talk to others to get any engagement.
eww, do people really do that here on lemmy?
- I really hope not as engagement should be natural and not forced onto people🌻
Thank you for breaking things down the way you did. I’ve been curious about how things worked over on BlueSky.
I don’t think I’ll join but I appreciate you letting me know what to expect!
