"…there came a point, a few weeks ago, when I realized, the government isn’t going to end the war, isn’t bringing the hostages back, and isn’t helping the evacuees.”

" Increasingly, Netanyahu’s many opponents are questioning his handling of the war. Others are questioning the prime minister’s motives, suggesting his political interest lies in the continuation of the fighting, which inevitably delays his political demise. Netanyahu is currently under trial on various charges of corruption."

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    Half the problem from a western civilian perspective is we just dont know the truth. We know Hamas massacres civilians, sets up torture rooms in hospitals, pretend to be noncombatants, and has a quality propaganda network. We know the IDF has at a very minimum killed civilians, and invaded homes, and maybe a lot more, but how much is propaganda and how much is truth?

    We just dont know, and frankly Im frustrated that we dont know.

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      For months, any criticism of Israel’s government was met with accusations of antisemitism, accusations of being “pro-hamas”. Now that I am pointing out there is criticism of Israel’s government coming from Israeli citizens inside Israel, the discussion I see generated avoids the actual topic and goes like: Well Hamas is very bad and has committed terrible atrocities and the IDF may have made a few regrettable mistakes but ackchyually white phosphorus is not illegal…

      Why is it so hard for anyone to admit there could be valid reasons to be unhappy with Israel’s government - reasons that are not antisemitic or pro-hamas, neither marxist nor nazi, but practical reasons relating to good governance not only for Palestine but Israel itself?

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        Foolish Bongo, you will never receive any admission of wrongdoing by Israel from those who adore her. They demand to hear the condemnation of hamas.

        Therefore, yes ok, I condemn Hamas. Fuck hamas! Let them all be separated from this world and sent for divine judgment.

        But this isn’t enough. You must also agree that Israel should expand her borders.

        You must also agree that there is no such thing as a Palestinian, it is a media invention.

        You must agree that a two state solution is unthinkable, can never happen, at any cost.

        You must agree that the lives of any non-jewish person in east Jerusalem, in the west bank, in Gaza are worthless.

        You must agree they should all be killed, men women and children because they are all hamas.

        You must agree that anyone who does not accept these prepositions as absolute truth and fact is antisemitic, is a nazi, is also hamas.

        Well that’s going too far for me and I can’t agree with that.

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      Since most the information out of Gaza is from Hamas, we know most of it is false.

      Israel tries to minimize the amount of civilians killed. Hamas tries to maximize the amount of civilians killed.

      Hamas needs to go.