What I didn’t like about Eternal was being forced to use specific weapons to kill certain enemies. For me this kind of shooters are all about use “the right tool for the job”. If I fancy using the two barrels shotgun from start to finish, just let me do so.
I’m glad I’m not the only one with that criticism. I enjoyed the first game so much more because of that.
I guarantee you that would be boring as fuck.
Might as well play with cheats on if you just don’t want to think at all. Thankfully, Doom Eternal has them in the game, you just need to unlock them.
Nah, the only times I want to play doom are when I want to turn my brain off. Shoot moving thing. Great success.
It’s a good thing Doom 2016 exists then.
For me Doom 2016 was a hugely more enjoyable experience than Eternal. 2016 is arguably one of the greatest linear single player shooters ever made. Eternal felt like a chore once you had all the tools unlocked and I lost interest shortly after. I could have lowered the difficulty so weapon selection didn’t matter, but that was clearly not the design intent.
Ultrakill does the “swap between weapons quickly for interesting combos” much better IMO – it’s not necessary but it’s a value add and it’s super fun to pull off.
I lowered the difficulty, and I were able to kill bigger enemies with the weapon of my choice. But they became bullet sponges. There’s no fun in that. I too prefer 2016, I like my shotgun.
When you want to win an internet argument so badly that you miss the point on purpose.
That isn’t the point. The point is you shouldn’t feel shoehorned into playing a specific intended strategy. Doom is about turning off your brain and slaying.
Some guns are better for different situations, but most guns are useful in any situation.
Why’s that boring? It sounds better than rock-paper-scissors with different guns
Doom II wasn’t boring.
The Super Shotgun game
If you could play through all of Doom II using only the super shotgun without constantly running out of ammo you were playing on easy.
Okay, so while you can’t literally use nothing but the SSG for the entirety of Doom II (especially since you don’t get it until MAP02), you can comfortably use it at least 90% of the time on UV. Shells are plentiful throughout the game.
Doesn't suck - GM
Nah. Go try out Enchain, you only have one gun for the game but it works pretty damn well.
Sounds more like an “easy mode” thing. Have certain enemies immune to certain guns on the harder difficulties. Want to just use the shotgun? Play easy mode. Want to be more strategic? Play a harder difficulty.
I can see a lot of DE Fans not enjoying this. But DE was a weaker entry to me so I’m excited to play this one.
Disco Elysium fans would be pretty confused by this, agreed
Lol to be fair, if you are in a thread on Doom, Disco Elysium isn’t something I’d expect seen or abbreviated.
Fans of mailing things to Delaware would also be confused by this.
Dammit. I didn’t think of them. I’m so heartless.
Dragonball evolution fans are even more confused.
I dunno, I’m someone who was fine with the changes to combat introduced in Doom Eternal, but was honestly really turned off by how much id was kinda huffing their own farts with the story. The first game had Doomguy punch any attempts at exposition. The second turned Hayden into an Angel, the AI friend into God, the demons are extraplanar aliens that are being used for energy by the angels, and now the Doom Slayer is some destined force of cosmic balance. The little bits were of larger lore were kinda funny in the first game, it became flanderized in the second, and now for a prequel I’m worried id’s managed to fit their entire head up their own ass trying to convince everyone how cool their space marine is.
Yeah, the exposition was part of what made DE weaker to me. Too much plot lead to losing the plot. The gameplay was fun enough overall, and I enjoyed a lot of the changes. But it was also too fuckin much keyboard ballet and pattern recognition for my tastes. If I want to kill something in a way that’s not the prescribed way, I want to be able to do that. But it became a formula and that’s not a playstyle I like because it bores me. It becomes math homework. Couple that formulaic approach with the fuckin massive swarms of unrelenting enemies and you end up having to fight like a robot. I preferred the 2016 mantra of fight like hell.
God, yes, I tried to get into the game twice and both times I bounced off right around the part where you go from Hell on Earth to a fucking high fantasy castle on some random planet. I’ll just replay Doom 2016 if I want to shoot some demons.
I always felt like dodging projectiles and not needing to worry about vertical aiming was the best part of doom.
It also translates to controllers well too vs the hit scan skills required with modern fpses along with the ability to aim on the vertical axis
Recently replayed doom 64 on pc and that game is so crisp. Feels really good on a controller and no vertical aiming is handled superbly in that game.
Yeah that feeling of spacial awareness as you’re kiting around groups of enemies. Helps to have simple, easily identifiable level geometry for that matter.
Back when DOOM (2016) was being teased, I tried to picture what a Doom follow-up should look like, and quite frankly I would have left out jumping. Doom and Doom II were first-person Robotron. It’s all about movement and enemy management in cramped hallways and wide-open courtyards. This was the prime franchise for aggressive autoaim. (Though even the original benefits immensely from the option to manually point up.)
Slaughter maps are what modern “Doom clones” should look like. Hordes of enemies, with individually predictable behavior, placed such that you’re always caught between conflicting goals. Hide from hitscanners - keep dodging projectiles. Run from homing missiles - avoid damaging floors. Shoot the demons - let them infight. Conserve cells - nuke everything, oh god they’re coming right at you.
The alternative would be a focus on Nightmare. In the original games, it was deliberately unfair - and said as much when you picked it. But if you know the level beforehand, the accelerated pace and constant respawning force an aggressive playstyle. That’s the original “push-forward combat.” You can’t stand in the distance, plinking away at extra-dangerous mancubi, because the imps behind you are gonna get back up and scratch your kidneys out.
Both approaches highlight how Doom is about management. Health, ammo, time, space.
excellently put, first person robotron is a great comparison
Could have been Hexen
God please
I gotta keep it real with you: Nothing about the trailer looks interesting to me. My viewpoints on Doom are pretty colored due to Mick Gordon’s claims and the poor combat and traversal loops in Eternal.
At least its not Doom 3 all over again.
Looking at the trailer and reading the article, it’s clear they’re going back to the doom 1 roots with the way the projectiles feel like it’s a 2D top down shooter.
That’s the way it’s supposed to feel imo, and I dig the direction they’re heading and the combat definitely felt like oldschool 2D top down shooters were supposed to feel: Dodge everything, never stop firing.
