I saw an article about them attacking Lebanon now. So, where will it stop? Have the Israeli government ever spoken about this?

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    Nothing that I have said is false. In fact I can source every single one of my claims. I know a propaganda fueled drone such as yourself can’t do the same, which is why you came back with this drivel instead of providing substance

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      You claimed:

      “I literally don’t care”.

      Sure doesn’t seem to jive with your histrionics.

      Also, the history of Israel and Palestine is incredibly well documented. Going back 75 years.

      You could literally search on any engine and find it instantly. You don’t even need a particular source to figure out how old this conflict is.

      Which is probably where you should start.

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        If you actually took into account the context, it’s very obvious that I said I don’t care about your claim that conflict is old and goes back many years. Nobody is disputing that. My point is that you made specific claim, which is that Israel wants to annex the Palestinian territories entirely as their ultimate goal, however, that is blatantly false because Israel literally gave up their settlements in Gaza voluntarily in 2005 and unilaterally existed. If their ultimate goal is complete conquest, why would they have done such a move? This event contradicts your thesis and disproves your claim.

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          Paraphrased: “After decades of colonization, why would Israel publicly state that they were ending all illegal ongoing colonization?”

          1. Because Israel already took most of the land(see picture) and didn’t have to give any back.

          2. Because there was a lot of complaints about them colonizing Palestine, especially as the internet became more popular and people became more aware of the illegal Israeli colonization of Palestinian land.

          3. By publicly stating that Israel would no longer annex Palestinian land, they didn’t have to give up any of the land they already colonized over the past half century, civilians could continue to colonize Palestinian land because it wasn’t official government or military colonization, and people would be mollified.

          And it worked.

          You apparently aren’t aware that Israelis are still colonizing Palestine because 19 years ago they put out a press release that said “no backsies, but some of us will stop officially colonizing this country after 60 years”.

          The civilians are still settling Palestinian land(they never stopped) that has been now evacuated because, you know, they’re killing all the Palestinians.

          https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/3/8/israeli-settlement-expansion-in-palestinian-areas-amounts-to-war-crime-un

          https://www.aljazeera.com/features/longform/2024/3/19/how-israeli-settlers-are-expanding-illegal-outposts-amid-gaza-war

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              Wow, what a miss you took.

              I hope that didn’t take you a long time.

              Then again, it’s much funnier if you did.

              Your argument against the Israeli colonization of Palestine is that the Palestinian settlements are even smaller than they appear to be on the map.

              Yes, that is the a problem. That is the point of the maps, to show how little land Palestinians have left.

              Your argument is that people only own the land of the country they’re standing directly upon. Amazing.

              You should go argue that to literally any country in the world where that is not correct.

              Go look up the term “national boundaries”

              However,

              Your incorrect understanding of borders is exactly what the Israeli government is arguing as the reason it’s okay for them to continue to illegally colonize Palestine and execute the civilians there.

              It’s also not true, but you don’t seem very concerned with the truth.

              As for pretending to read the article incorrectly so that you can argue against it, that’s just you arguing against yourself.

              Not super relevant.

              Your arguments:

              1. Irrelevant to the amount of land that Israel has illegally annexed from Palestine.

              2. You complain that colors are propaganda! Doubtful, since so many of these maps use different colors, and it is not relevant to the amount of land that Israel has illegally annexed from Palestine for the past 70 years

              3. Nope, the first map details the settlement area of the Palestinian people. Again, you can look at border maps for many countries, but steal yourself! You’ll be shocked that people are not standing on every square inch of their country. Your argument here also is not relevant to the amount of land that Israel has illegally annexed from Palestine for the past 70 years.

              4. Colors(you already did this) are not relevant to the amount of land that Israel has illegally annex from Palestine for the past 70 years.

              5. “It’s not stealing land because fewer countries recognized Palestine as a country then.”

              I mean…Taiwan…

              Actually I’ll explain this because it doesn’t seem like you understand much about national politics. Or geography. Or colonization.

              145 countries recognize Palestine as a country.

              A dozen (12, for you) countries recognize Taiwan as a country

              If Taiwan gets annexed by China, it’s still going to be a country being annexed(land being stolen) by China, even if not everybody is willing to recognize Taiwan as a country yet.

              Also, pretty irrelevant to the amount of land that Israel has illegally annexed from Palestine for the past 70 years.

              1. Is this “argument” also a basic misunderstanding by you of politics and geography? No! It’s a tacit statement of approval by you for Israel annexing a bunch of land.

              Greeeeat.

              All you’re doing here is arguing that Russia annexing Crimea and trying to annex Ukraine is cool because… Russia wants land that belongs to others.

              1. Your complaint here is that Palestinians didn’t lose as much land in some decades as they did in other decades, so none of the annexation counts!

              Not a great argument.

              Kind of missing the point of how Violet is to steal land from people after you kill the civilians on it.

              And 8. Your most bizarre criticism. There’s no source for this map?

              Like, how do you get such s basic thing incorrect? Do you even know how search engines work?

              Here’s a bunch of sources for that map, even with different colors for your weird color fetish.

              You’ll have to come up with all new reasons why these different colors scare you.

              https://visualizingpalestine.org/visual/http-visualizingpalestine-org-visuals-shrinking-palestine-static/

              https://www.palestineportal.org/learn-teach/israelpalestine-the-basics/maps/maps-loss-of-land/

              https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Figure-1-Showing-the-Loss-of-the-Palestinian-Land-and-the-Segregation-of-Palestinians_fig1_378482435

              Here’s one on your side, they used different colors and swear that the map is wrong;

              https://aijac.org.au/fresh-air/disappearing-palestine-the-maps-that-lie/

              Unfortunately, their “correct” maps begin and end in the exact same place and still highlight disappearing Palestinian territory, and they don’t even include the illegal settlements by Israeli civilians.

              My answer completely and credibly answers your question:

              Israel made that disingenuous 2005 statement because they knew they didn’t have to give any land back to Palestine, because they knew that Israeli civilian settlers would continue to annex Palestine, and because it would make people like you believe that they stopped colonizing Palestine, contrary to all of the evidence of continued Israeli settlement of Palestinian land in the ensuing years.

              Including right now.

              Where they are colonizing Palestine and putting up residential neighborhoods.

              That’s in the sources from my previous comment that you seem a bit wary to mention.

              Here’s the BBC reporting on the continued illegal Israeli settlement of Palestine.

              https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68490034

              Here’s the times of Israel, proudly declaring their intent to illegally settle Palestinian land, sanctioned by the defense ministry.

              https://www.timesofisrael.com/government-panel-greenlights-nearly-3500-new-west-bank-homes/

              Here’s PBS, describing Israel planning to illegally annex and colonize Palestine:

              https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israel-plans-to-build-3300-new-settlement-homes-in-occupied-west-bank-in-response-to-a-fatal-shooting

              Here’s Reuters describing The ongoing illegal annexation and settlement of Palestine by Israel:

              https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-advances-peak-number-west-bank-settlement-plans-2023-watchdog-2023-07-13/

              Go ahead, please try to explain how all of these sources, including Israel and their ministry of defense stating that they are going to annex Palestine, are just kidding about the illegal annexation of Palestine.

              Your argument that the colors are wrong has nothing to do with the number of times Israel has invaded, razed, annexed and colonized Palestine, nor with the amount of civilians it’s executed or with schools, hospitals it’s bombed.

              That was a pretty fun victory lap for me.

              Keep swinging though, I like dancing on laurels

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                  I understand you’re afraid of revealing your ignorance.

                  That ship has sailed.

                  I’m very directly telling you to ask for help.

                  Nothing disingenuous.