I like wireless, I just fucking loathe earbuds. Unfortunately, they have completely replaced the wrap around on-ear headphones that were the best for wearing while running errands or exercising.
I don’t want something big and bulky while I’m walking around, but I also don’t like having shit jammed into my ears. And critically, those on ear headphones are just the right size to have a convenient button layout so I can easily pause or go back a few seconds in my audiobook whenever I need to.
But Apple decreed that wireless earbuds were the future and the market for everything else fucking died.
Have you tried bone conduction earphones? Shokz are pretty sweet, I use my pair all the time.
Used to have a pair of these. Motorola S305. They were the perfect running headphones. Big chunky buttons for volume and track skipping, a plastic band that wrapped the back of your head and over your ears so it would never fall off but otherwise wireless. The only downside was really old Bluetooth tech so connection was sketchy at times. Also audio has improved a lot since then.
Modern buds don’t stay in my ears. I’m using the pixel buds pro right now. The right ear stays in pretty good but the left is completely unpredictable.
Having the pixel buds myself, I feel your pain. Do a little bit of physical activity and at least one side gets loose and slippery.
I found that I simply dont have symmetrical ear canals, I use the mid size plug on one and the smallest plug on the other ear. That way they seem to fit somewhat reliably.
I had some jaybird buds that have the wrap around wire with a clip to your shirt so you can pop one out without tugging the other, also they came with all sorts of ear mounts so they can stay in your ear, I have really found anything that work as good for use while working
Have neckband Bluetooth headphones of various kinds too (I’ll never ever use those tiny plugs, I’d be worried about losing them and chances are they won’t fit well). Got a regular sport model, and recently got a cheap air conduction headset too.
I’m using the pixel buds pro right now. The right ear stays in pretty good but the left is completely unpredictable.
I wonder if it’s their manufacturing or something, because I have the same issue with only the left bud.
Usually one bud is the primary one which connects to the phone and maintains the link. Then it pairs with the other and relays the Bluetooth session encryption key so the second bud can play it’s part of the audio
I think peak design was the on-ear, behind-the-neck style. They rested on the top of your ears, and your hair didn’t get all fucked up from the headband. I don’t know why they had such a short-lived popularity.
I’ve tried the wired Koss independent on-ears, but you lose clarity of lows without the pressure of a neckband or headband.
They still exist, although aren’t as common. Plenty of places have them if you order online
The form factor exists, but not in competitive terms. Good luck finding them with high quality drivers. I tried for years and gave up.
I felt this comment in my bones. It’s too bad my over ear buds are so old now the plastic has degraded. Regular earbuds just don’t stay in and I find them uncomfortable.
Now the real winner would be looped over your ear but using that spacial localized speaker thing Valve puts into their VR. That stuff works great, has surround sound, and you don’t feel a thing. A wonder if only exists on that headset and that headset alone.
Seems to be rather unique to them.
https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/index/deep-dive/ear-speakers
To be fair, I’d be like one of two people in this world who’d rock those in public. They’d catch an eye, haha
The parts are available, but I don’t know if there’s a way to send them regular stereo channel inputs without hardware hacking or writing custom software drivers from scratch.
This might be the right thing for you:
Wraparound on-ear headphones with USB-C plug. I can’t vouch for them personally though.
The problem with most USB c earphones (which are not super expensive) is that they sound like shit because they have a cheapo small DAC (digital to analog converter) in them. Our phones - most of the time - have decent enough DACs, at least had them when they had the 3.5 mm jacks
RIP that headphone jack
Those things are solid. It’ll be fine.
Rip that person’s ear holes you mean.
Not really. I’ve switched from wired to wireless because of the number of headphones I’ve destroyed getting the cable stuck so bad it yanks my body. My ears never hurt from it; just slightly disoriented and audio only working for one bud/side now. Eventually it was too annoying and I switched to full bluetooth wireless. I won’t argue against cables being better for audio, but for me they arent.
I used to dislike wireless earbuds until I tried them. They really are much more convenient, especially while riding a bike.
I switched to wireless during the covid pandemic. Otherwise it was really painful to put on and off the mask each time I entered public transport. And I agree, it’s super convenient in many other situations as well.
But such a tiny, energy-optimized DAC can’t sound really good, can it?
I have both wireless and wired. The wireless ones sound fine although if I switch from one to the other the wired are a noticeable improvement. The real issue I have with them is that there’s a noticeable delay that makes watching every video like a dubbed movie. Secondary to that I have never been able to get ones that fit perfectly so I’m constantly having to poke them back in especially if I’m eating or something and my jaw is moving around and there’s just a lot of general bluetooth issues that are annoying. I have a much easier time with the wired ones just working.
For the places I need portable headphones for,I really don’t care that much about sound quality. And it is by no means terrible.
It can’t match proper headphones. But I listen to podcasts and books, so the audio quality is not that important.
BTR5 on LDAC + wired headphones/IEMs have been doing wonders for me.
The sound is higher-quality than the files we’re getting from the streams, so it’s fine.
The sony wf series sound honestly amazing. Not very repairable though. That counts for every brand though.
It’s not like it was a mutually exclusive option. I have an S9 and I swamp between wireless and wired audio all the time depending on the setting. These newer phones have only one option. Bluetooth does not work well everywhere. Frankly forcing more things into the same radio frequency just makes it worse.
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But useless when you need to get audio out of a phone into another sysyem
Yeah, but for casual use almost all relevant devices have bluetooth nowadays
You’re not wrong but I audio engineer and dongles are extra points of failure
I don’t have a problem with wireless headphones when it comes to mobile devices. It sucks, and I wish I still had a headphone jack, but I’ve kinda come to peace with the fact that wireless accessories for phones are apparently the future.
However, I wish there were “mid/high-end” Bluetooth/wifi cans. All the wireless headphones are either earbuds, IEMs, or overpriced Skullcandy/beats/Bose/apple/etc. I want an AKG or Audio-Technica pair of wireless headphones that go over my ears, and I want an option between closed-back and open-back headphones. I prefer closed-back due to the sound isolation and I’m annoyed that there’s a price gap where it’s hard to find closed-back headphones in the $300~$600 range.
…or at least it was when I checked a year or two ago; everything with a closed back was either entry (<$100), low-level (<$300) or too expensive (>$600 + $100 or more for an amp, because at that price range most headphones need one).
Edit: oh yeah, and a optional balanced cable that uses a standardized connector, like miniXLR
Sennheiser has a few wireless cans in that category for ~$400
I’ll have to check them out, thanks!
^ This person audio-engineers.
No judgement - just from reading your comment I definitely get this vibe. I get it though. Most wireless stuff is either going to be heavily EQed consumer trash or overpriced audiophile stuff with all the latest buzzwords. There just doesn’t seem to be much of a market for reference-grade stuff in a wireless format.
Not that I could justify spending a bunch on good headphones though, so I’ve settled for a low-end pair that sound acceptable for what they are.
I actually don’t, but maybe I should because I love audio stuff, I just don’t usually have the money to blow on it. Any idea what skills audio engineers usually have?
I used to actually know a ton about this stuff but haven’t touched a musical instrument or audio device in over 12 years. Sooooo, bear with me.
All of this will depend entirely where your interests lay in terms of audio production/engineering. One of the core skills would be the ability to pick out different sounds from a soundscape. I suspect you already have a knack for that given how much you seem to think about audio quality. Tied in with that would be an understanding of how digital audio works in terms of bitrate, dynamic range, what clipping sounds (and looks) like, etc. I’m sure there’s tons of info on all that online. Analog audio has a whole other set of skills associated with it, but I doubt it’s super accessible these days for a beginner. That’s outside of cassettes, at least. I’m sure old 4-track cassette recorders are super cheap. As much as I loved analog recording, you’re probably better off just going digitally and using processing to get an approximation of the “traditional” analog sound, though, if that’s your jsn. Or if you’re going for a black metal sound or something else intentionally grungy, go to town on a cassette deck.
From there I’d say the biggest skills would be understanding basic mic technique, the general physics of sound, and how to properly set your levels (basically the ratio of preamp vs amp). Next up would be figuring out basic processing - namely the different types of EQ and compression. Effects play into that too - especially reverb and delay - but EQ and compression (plus proper micing and levels) are generally going to be the foundation of a good mix.
That being said - this all entirely depends on what you’re going for. If you don’t do anything musical yourself and aren’t inclined to record other musicians, you can have tons of fun remixing other people’s work. I’m pretty sure there are sites out there where you can download raw audio tracks to mix yourself. Another viable option if you’re into electronic forms of music is to get a sequencer and experiment that way.
I got my start when I was maybe 13 or 14 with a cracked copy of Fruity Loops (I think it’s called FL Studio now). I used that to write dumb electronic songs despite having no theoretical musical or audio knowledge (besides having previously used the built in Windows sound recording software to layer weird shit I recorded with a crappy mic). That software also came with demo tracks that I experimented with. About a year later I got a bass guitar and started a punk band, and that led to all sorts of weird experimentation with recording mediums. From there I bought a shitty reel to reel tape deck and began recording punk bands out of their jam spaces, eventually went to school for audio engineering, had a bunch of jobs related to the art (while freelancing doing recording work and live sound), and finally burned out and never touched a guitar or mic again.
None of that is necessary or even something I’d recommend. It’s a perfectly legitimate hobby if you want to keep it small-scale. You can start it with almost no money, but that’s where I’d caution you if you have anything approaching an addictive personality - the gear can get super addictive as you begin a quest for the perfect tone. For a few years there I worked at a musical instrument store and most of my paycheck went right back to my work (the staff discount sure helped though). Likewise, most of what I’d make freelancing would go back to gear as well. That’s one of the big reasons I quit cold turkey one day. I still miss it as a hobby, but I know the second I start it back up I’ll be right back to dreaming of expensive tube preamps. Your own mileage may vary if you have better self-control.
One of the core skills would be the ability to pick out different sounds from a soundscape. I suspect you already have a knack for that given how much you seem to think about audio quality. Tied in with that would be an understanding of how digital audio works in terms of bitrate, dynamic range, what clipping sounds (and looks) like, etc. I’m sure there’s tons of info on all that online. Analog audio has a whole other set of skills associated with it, but I doubt it’s super accessible these days for a beginner. That’s outside of cassettes, at least. I’m sure old 4-track cassette recorders are super cheap. As much as I loved analog recording, you’re probably better off just going digitally and using processing to get an approximation of the “traditional” analog sound, though, if that’s your jsn. Or if you’re going for a black metal sound or something else intentionally grungy, go to town on a cassette deck.
I can already do a lot of this, and while I’m a bit lacking on the analog aspect, I have an okay understanding of how electricity works, which would probably help with the analog side.
From there I’d say the biggest skills would be understanding basic mic technique, the general physics of sound, and how to properly set your levels (basically the ratio of preamp vs amp). Next up would be figuring out basic processing - namely the different types of EQ and compression. Effects play into that too - especially reverb and delay - but EQ and compression (plus proper micing and levels) are generally going to be the foundation of a good mix.
Don’t have as much of an understanding here, especially when it comes to calling out specific frequencies to be EQ’d. I don’t do enough of that to be able to “play it by ear” and know what frequencies I want to adjust without some experimentation. I’m also somewhat familiar with how compressors work, but I need a UI because I tend to forget what bit does what, so I need visual feedback to show me what I’m changing. Shouldn’t be too difficult to memorize the terminology and how certain frequencies sound, but it would take some effort. I do understand how decibels work though!
That being said - this all entirely depends on what you’re going for. If you don’t do anything musical yourself and aren’t inclined to record other musicians, you can have tons of fun remixing other people’s work. I’m pretty sure there are sites out there where you can download raw audio tracks to mix yourself. Another viable option if you’re into electronic forms of music is to get a sequencer and experiment that way.
It’s something I’d probably do as a career. The career I wanted to go into has turned out to be extremely toxic and heavily exploitive, so I’m kinda looking for alternatives. That said, most creative careers tend to be very exploitive so I might be looking in the wrong place.
If you really truly are interested in it as a career don’t hold back, but know that it’s a looooooong road for very little money and absolutely no guarantees. Like anything fairly creative, only the top percentile make actual good money (or even sustainable money), and even then you usually have to freelance and build your own reputation to get there. That said, there are viable adjacent jobs that use that skillset. I worked in corporate AV for a few years, which involves running sound, lighting, and video for events. It’s far from glamorous though, and mostly involves manual labor in setups and teardowns. You’re basically a roadie who also runs the gear, but instead of mixing cool rock shows you’re mixing a few mics and a PowerPoint presentation for a pharmaceutical convention. The hours can also suuuuuuuck. My longest shift was 20 hours. I got home at 3 AM after that and then had to be back at the shop for 7. You live on free coffee and cookies that the banquet staff give you (you get to be on a first-name basis with every hotel banquet server in your city). It can be weirdly fun as a youngster but I have no idea how the older techs survived. I regularly worked 40 hour weeks when I was part time and 60-80 when full-time. I burned out by like 22.
The music store gig was really fun though. I ran the rentals desk and spent a lot of time teaching my customers how to use the pro audio gear. That’s also the most ridiculous place I’ve ever worked in terms of memorable stories.
You can also run sound in a dive bar, but that’s mostly about who you know and involves more networking than you’d expect to work in a dive bar for very little money.
As far as actually being a professional audio engineer or producer who makes a living making records - that’s the real tough part. I suppose it’s possible to land a staff job in a studio, but that’s not really how it worked in my small city. I freelanced with my own gear and home studio for years until I met a (relatively - this is Canada) big-name producer who I’d built rapport with from my job in the music store. He offered to let me work out of his proper studio for a very reasonable rate. Note that this wasn’t a job - it was an offer to pay him to use his facility. Still, it was the closest thing I had to a break and for a few glorious months I was (barely) scraping by as a full-time recording engineer. The clientele I had built up over the previous decade were almost exclusively local punk and garage rock bands, meaning none of them had money, and now they had to pay real studio fees on top of my own, so I was charging way too little. I was technically doing it though, but then I finally fully burned out - due in part to some looming personal issues - and that was that.
As to all your other comments - alllll of that can be learned through study and experimentation. I went to an overpriced school to learn the fundamentals, but a diploma like that means shit and you can learn it just as well on your own. With stuff like EQ you don’t need to be able to instantly pick out a good/bad frequency fully by ear - there are little tricks for zoning in on what you’re looking for (crank the gain on the EQ and scan the frequency range until you find the tone you’re trying to get rid of, then turn it down. Hint: it’s almost always the lower-mids making stuff sound muddy.)
This all being said, if you’re interested in this stuff I suggest dipping your toes in as a hobbyist first. If it becomes your obsession maybe consider a career, but only if you’ll be content working adjacent jobs rather than recording bands full time. Also, in case I didn’t make it quite clear, there’s a ton of networking involved. It’s easier if you actually play in a band, as I did (you don’t have to be good - just out there meeting people). I suppose it’d still be possible otherwise if you spend most of your free time at local shows and really get to know the musicians. Also, by the time I was getting in, home recording was a vibrant industry so wasn’t just competing with other engineers for jobs - I was also competing with bands just doing it themselves. I’m sure that’s only gotten tougher these days with cheap gear being so accessible.
I hope this doesn’t come across as demoralizing. I just want to make sure you know what you’re potentially getting yourself into. If you’re hating your current industry, though, and this all sounds overwhelming, another approach is to find something tolerable but maybe not what you envisioned, and make the best of it. In creative fields work typically becomes your life as it’s a constant grind to make ends meet and something that was once pleasurable inevitably becomes tainted by association. Some people have the emotional fortitude to survive under those conditions but I suspect they’re few and far between. I’ve worked probably a dozen jobs in my life before landing in my current role. Depending on how you count it, I’ve been here about 11 years and I fully expect this will be the company I work at for the rest of my working life (in part because my family bought the business a few years ago after several of us had worked there for years). The job has nothing to do with anything I went to school for and is in an industry I have no personal interest in. But, the work itself is interesting and sometimes creative,. Most importantly, the people are good, so I’m about as happy as a person can be in a job. Keep yourself open to opportunities like that, if you can find them. Buying the business helped, but even before that I had pretty much accepted that I was a lifer because this was the first grown-up job I felt content in.
Maybe too basic for you but the ATH-M50X bluetooth has served me well for mlre than 5 years and the only complaint I have is the faux leather comming off.
Ye, though tbh, I’ve thought about just getting a secondary pair of headphones, like a cheaper wireless pair for being out and about, and a more expensive pair for at home. If I went that route then I’d probably do something like the ath-m50x
Focal Bathys? They are expensive and delicate though
Holy shit those actually kinda sound exactly like what I want. They are pretty expensive, and I wonder what the sound quality is like, but those are basically the kinda thing I’ve been looking for.
As an audiophile, I’ve tried these at an event and they sound pretty close to audiophile grade wired headphones. They have the Focal house signature (slightly warm but not bassy or boomy)
I think the ATH-M50x has a BT version.
I recently bought the samsung A15. And even though it came out this year it still has the headphone jack. If you don’t have special use cases for your phone that you need a lot of power for I can realy recomend the low end samsung phones. They work absolutely fine. I used my last low end samsung phone for 5 years before replacing
I would but all the cancer samsung packs into their goddamn OS is just too much.
Yes yes yes. The unremovable bloatware junk flooding and suffocating samsung’s devices cpu , memory and ram, and draining its battery is the #1 reason that forced me to ditch samsung forever. Also how you hardly don’t get any much by rooting them compared to other manufacturers
What’s wrong with OneUI? I like it more than stock Android these days. I know TouchWiz was the worst and most bloated Android skin out there when they were still using it, but ever since the switch to OneUI, stock Android has been playing catch-up implementing its features.
Because there are so many god damn samsung apps installed that cannot be removed easily. Also their settings are abhorent looking and disorganised.
What’s wrong with OneUI?
Appcloud. OneUI is great if you hammer it with ADB the moment you get out from setup. Extra apps like MS stuff and Google stuff are uninstallable. (mostly; Google, Chrome and Youtube may refuse to uninstall) Appcloud needs ADB and it is very annoying.
Just root the phone and use LineageOS for example :D It’s what I’ve been doing and it’s great
but I thought lineageOS is not compatible on samsung phones.
Oh sorry, it’s been a while since I last used Samsung phones. I’ve switched to OnePlus several years ago. But before that, I had absolutely no problem with LineageOS on Samsung. Has this changed over the years?
You can’t root Qualcomm snapdragon galaxies… doubtful the A line is different
Yeah but not that many samdungs are supported by lineage officially.
God I miss my S10. It really was a perfect phone. I finally had to let it go when the screen cracked. Replacing it cost more than a refurbished S22 or S23, and I couldn’t justify purchasing another S10, since it will probably fall victim to planned obsolescence soon.
My S10e is cracked but only all over the backplate. Which is also no longer really attached to the phone. I’m driving this thing into the ground.
I still use my s10e every day on my commute with the headphone jack plugged into a radio tuner so I can listen to podcasts
Still using the S9 with only the back and sides cracked. Only put 50€ into replacing the battery and jack. This has got to last until 2027 at least until replaceable batteries hopefully become a thing again.
I have an old S9 right here on my desk. I cracked the screen, and took it to one of those screen replacement places, and he asked if I had insurance. I told him I didn’t, and he said, wellllllll it’s going to be a lot more expensive than you think to replace this screen.
That wraparound screen they had was basically also the frame of the phone - you’re not so much replacing the screen as you are moving the rest of the components to a new phone body. I wasn’t sold on value of that wraparound screen in the first place; this didn’t improve my opinion of it.
We put a plastic screen protector on it and a new case, and I used it for a few months until we were ready to upgrade phones.
S9+ still going strong after over 6 years. I dread the day I will need a “new” phone.
How do you crack the sides of an s9? It’s metal…
I meant the curved sides of the front screen. The metal is just scratched.
Oh duh haha
I’m really hoping that Framework release a phone one day, given how good the Framework 16 laptop is.
Still typing this on my S10! I’ve replaced the power button twice as it eventually started falling out. I have to admit I mostly use wireless earbuds these days but options are nice.
I’ve been getting the Samsung ‘plus’ models several years after they come out for a couple hundred bucks and still can’t find a reason to upgrade from the S10+
New phones are way too expensive for a better camera and marginally faster apps, which would be entirely out matched by a dedicated camera at the same price.
Surprise surprise, I also drive an old ranger that has aux but no Bluetooth so everything works out
The S10 is such a good phone! Things like samsung dex and being able to cast to TV are really useful - I’m guessing the later models have these, but I’d hate to lose them either way. I rarely use the headphone jack nowadays but it’s still nice to have. Hopefully I can get a few more years out of my S10.
options are everything, i’m rocking 500gb removable storage, feel like a pig in shit
My phone would drop and just detach from the phone jack and still fall, sometimes ruining the headphones in the process. My phone has a case and takes a fall better than my headphones. But it’s also older (Samsung note 8), so there’s that
I refuse to spend any money on earbuds that will be immediately lost.
I’m terrible at keeping track of things normally but I never lose my wallet or headphones. Seems like maybe a you problem.
Not a fan of singular earbuds but because my phone didn’t come with a jack I got ones that are basically attached to each other, so they are wireless but attached by a wired between them with a little battery that lasts 10h I’ve grown really fond of them.
No problem of losing them either!
I really like my semi wireless headphones as well. They have like 28 hours of battery life and you can charge them from 0% to 10 hours of playback (or however many percent that is) in 10 minutes. They also have an incredible feature I wish all wireless headphones had. The ability to quickly switch between the last two devices by just pressing a button twice. No need to disconnect them from the device they are already connected too.
I just traded in my s10 this past November and I still miss the headphone jack.
If you’re also bitter about it, don’t buy wireless earbuds from the phone brands. Samsung, Apple, etc.
Admittedly it’s not a big thing, but I don’t think we should directly financially reward the same people who took the aux port from us.
Sennheiser is good but sometimes at bit more spendy. I like Jabra Elite 8 Actives, for dust/dirt/sweat resistance. Maybe the sound isn’t quite as nice, but I’m fine with it. And Jabra isn’t a company that took the aux port out of our phones.
Yep, about a month ago I finally broke down and bought a sennheiser momentum 4. Pricy, but down are they nice.
Still have this phone but it is getting a bit ragged, really just the battery. Might upgrade to Sony Xperia 1 V or 1 VI soon. Need the headphone jack and microSD slot.
Check out HMD phones. They have the SD slot and the 3.5mm jack as well. They also have partnered with iFixit so that you can replace parts as well.
Looking at the specs of this HMD phone, I would not recommend it. The headphone jack and SD card slot are about all this phone has going for it. It’s underpowered, especially for a phone running Android 14. I guess it wouldn’t be too bad for people who just need the cheapest Android phone they can get.
…There also appears to be a hole in the screen 🙃 (i loathe camera holes and screen “notches”).
Unless you are in India.
Their customer service apparently drove a relative of mine to Apple.Also some of the cheaper Nokia ones have a great number of problems:
- SIM card not detected after Restart
- Some bad sensor causing Google Maps to show you facing the wrong direction.
Alright, it’s just 2, but happens enough to make me regret.
Some high end model had its LCD liquidate somehow, without a visible crack and was not covered in warranty.
Sony xperia phones are wonderful overall. Highly recommend.
me seeing this while still using wired headphones at the moment on my phone listening to music :)
Where my LG homies at?
Left the market a few years ago. Sorry bud. I wanted to get the Wing, but grabbed a OnePlus 9 Pro instead. No regrets.
Why not buy a Sony phone with an earphone jack?
Not only does the Xperia have a headphone jack, it supports aptx for Bluetooth headphones! No matter if you prefer wired or wireless, it’s not skimping on either.
A lot oft phones have aptx, no?
LDAC or bust, homie.
Is it better than aptx-hd?
Edit: aptxhd: 567kbit/a max and ldac 990kbit/s max
Depends on your definition of “better”. Better bitrate and quality? Yes. But that comes at the cost of reduced range (since it’s more dependent on a good connection to the source device).
I moved from Galaxy S10 to Xperia 1 V precisely because none of the phones in the Galaxy line support aptx.
Also, there’s aptx, aptx-hd, aptx-LL (low latency), and aptx-adaptive. My headphones support only aptx and aptx-adaptive and I really wanted support for the latter. There’s licensing involved so not all devices support the whole range of aptx standards.
I love LDAC but Sony seems to be abandoning it. I don’t think their latest headphones or bluetooth speakers have support for it anymore.
I dropped my phone while it was connected to my laptop charging. My laptop was taken down with it.
Did you try to save it all on the way down and make things worse?
Damn that URL didn’t link, but I think I can imagine what could be worse.
