If Reddit were to revert it’s changes to 3rd party apps would you stay on Lemmy or move back to Reddit?
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I dont see most less technical users moving at all without some more UI maturity. The whole federated services thing is just a bit too abstract a concept for most. And right now its difficult to find/join communities outside your instance.
The confusion seems unwarranted to me, though. It’s literally the same as email. Every time I discuss fediverse with people, all of their confusion stems from presumed complexity that doesn’t actually exist. The server they pick matters just as much as it does for their email. So the process is: create an account somewhere, and start interacting with communities. That’s it.
Right. Agree. But searching for communities, especially those outside your instance can be wonky. Finding communities and grouping like communities across instances is difficult as it currently sits. And it takes a bit of understanding how to search to find things.
And the app for android doesn’t seem to let you search for and add new communities. It needs to be done from web browser from what I can tell
I’m sure that as more users join it will get easier
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https://calckey.social/tags/Reddit has the best ui i’ve seen in the fediverse but it’s for mastodon
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Yeah. Best I can describe it is its like email for message boards.
But I can see definate needs for better community discovery, group like communities from other instances, making reccomendations for similar communities etc.
Honestly, there’s a pull request right now on lemmy-ui for instance agnostic linking, that combined with automatically staying on your instance will completely resolve the only issue I see for normal people.
That and a little jank here and there but that’s bound to get buffed out.
Agree those two changes would be good. Along with making the ability to add topic sorting or community grouping where you can view say, all “technology” communities in a url. Or all Linux communities across instances in a big group etc.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1113
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818
here’s the issue trackers you’re looking for!
I don’t think it’s too abstract for people. I think we’re all just really bad at explaining it to non-techies.
When you move to a city, choosing the neighborhood you want to buy your house in doesn’t stop you from being able to drive around looking at others.
It ain’t rocket science.
That’s a very good way of explaining it.
See my post history if the ui is bothering you. With Sylus browser add on, some very small ui tweaks make the site much easier on the eyes
after I found out about the fediverse I’ve wondered why not more people use it and why it wasn’t already popular
For most people it’s just a bit too arcane.
I think that’s true for mastodon, but I suspect it’s going to be way less true for Reddit
Twitter’s value proposition is roughly “one big giant conversation with everyone” and the federation stuff adds some complexity to that.
Reddit already acted like a federation. There are ui and discoverability issues but they seem very solvable.
Because most people just don’t understand it. It’s has a high barrier of entry (relatively speaking) and there aren’t really any good mobile apps. While I love the idea of the fed Ivette I just can’t imagine trying to explain it to everyone that’s isn’t tech savvy.
I think what would end up making this a viable platform for the average person is an elegant app (Think Apollo) that initially obfuscates the whole concept of federated servers. One where you create from within it a “Lemmy” account/address and pick what domain you want. Defaulting to lemmy.ml perhaps? Or suggesting a server based on a short questionnaire, like what Twitter does to recommend accounts to follow. Being able to use that same account on various federated platforms would also be pretty cool. Most people will need to have their hand held or they’ll never leave behind what they are accustomed to.
Trust is the hardest thing to reclaim once lost, and this isn’t the first break. Big social is having problems, it’s the natural course of things.
This is a great point!
For me, they’d have to
- Replace /u/spez
- Implement some sort of publicly auditable accountability re: shadowbans and database-level comment editing
- Open-source significant parts of their platform.
I have zero expectation that any of these things will happen. The most healthy way forward, for an open and free internet, is the meritocracy of the fediverse.
Did he get caught editing comments again? And the shadowbanning?
Not recently… I’m just completely out trust and benefit of the doubt based on the various controversies and where their (Tencent) money is coming from.
The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.
Even if they did, I think a lot of redditors have been fed up with some things with Reddit (both the company and the first-party app) for a while.
Of course, there will be people who just don’t care and will continue to go about their redditing as usual, and those who will go back. A fair number of my close friends don’t care at all as they use the first-party app, have no complaints, don’t moderate any subreddits, and don’t follow the Internet news.
I would love to see my primary communities move over to federated social platforms. It reminds me of the Web1.0 and earlier Web2.0 days.
The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.
Link? That’s not good news :/
I think that’s from his AMA response
I haven’t seen any new news compared to yesterday in spez’s AMA. Nothing in regards to him responding to the forthcoming blackout (which is currently 3800+ / 6625 subs)
Right, is that starting at like 12 EST or PST?
I don’t know if it’s specific to any one timezone. They reddark tracker is basing it off of UTC-4 at the moment and I would imagine someone on the other side of the world wouldn’t stay up overnight to match a single timezone. Maybe the mods will move to private when they wake up in the morning. Long way of saying IDK honestly lol.
Yeah, I realized as I was typing it that it was probably going to be pretty random
Ah, that’s based off the AMA he “did”. So nothing newer than that?
Not just that, they also announced their intent to turn reddit into an even more ad-infested hellhole: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads
This is the future of reddit in the official app everyone: https://www.redditinc.com/assets/images/site/image2.gif
The redditinc thing is freaking hilarious.
Ugh, that kind of makes me want to vomit. What a shame.
You know what’s great for vomiting though? Barf-b-gone! It’s organic homeopathic artisanal small batch natural nausea remedy that I’m recommending you as a fellow user and not a spam bot looking for keywords! Click here to buy it now and try it immediately! /s
That may be the grossest thing I’ve seen yet from a UI perspective. FFS.
I wouldn’t care. The irreversable damage is done.
Reddit’s handling of the API change criticisms showed me how little they care about the community that keeps them afloat. The way the CEO’s AMA pretty much ignored all API change criticism (including comments asking why the new price is so extortionately expensive) whilst lying about Apollo’s developer threatening them… They’ve shown their real colours.
I don’t want to use a platform prioritising profits above everything else now. I used Reddit for over a decade and they’ve eradicated my trust in a few days. Even if they reverse the decision, it’d be a PR move to temporarily save their sinking reputation. They clearly don’t care about moderators, users or anyone who actually makes Resdit the place it is (whilst begrudgenly adding bare minimum app exceptions for blind users becsuse they legally have to).
Its a shame, but at the same time I’m excited to see where things go from here. Reddit’s always had a bit of a quality control problem due to sheer size. Maybe the mass exodus will lead to an alternative community discussion platform with a smaller, more refined, engaged userbase.
I’m actually excited to see where things go from here to be honest. Maybe Reddit will become a home of pointless content like memes whilst deeper discussion happens elsewhere. Maybe that’d be better, actually.
They’ve already posted that they’re going to “double down” on ads on their platform and they are not going to back down on the API rules: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads
Personally, I don’t see myself going back. I’ll just chill with my new community here.
Same
Nope. Everyone makes mistakes. But you don’t go full Armageddon on the people whose blood, sweat & tears built you up from diddly, and then say “oopsie.” It don’t work like that, Spez. Have fun with your IPO.
Well said - my patience ran out about 6 or 7 “mistakes” ago. I’m never going back.
I already like the community here more
Same. I’ll definitely stay here.
Same. I’m here to stay.
I’ve returned to Reddit from Lemmy in the past, but this time it’s different. There are enough people posting content here now that it feels like a community (and not just a few nerds hoping it will take off). Never thought I’d say this but, thanks Spez for creating such a vibrant community.
I will admit that I’d keep RiF on my phone just to doomscroll in airports and whatnot. Though I think I’m going to stop my desktop use (90% of my use) of Reddit regardless. The writing is on the wall for old.reddit.
I think if this works out I may switch permanently if they back out. If not I will only use Reddit as the occasional info lookup and use this as my “social media”
Yup other than the occasional tidbit that will eventually get here I just want something to doomscroll and kill time.
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Oh, so he ended up doing it?
Edit: Darn it, that’s right. /r/AMA went private. Is the thread archived somewhere?Oh! Thanks!
Wasn’t on r/AMA, was on r/reddit. Here you go.
https://safereddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/ LibReddit link so you don’t actually use the Reddit website and give ad revenue.
Thanks. Looks like Reddit is down, so I can’t test the link. Otherwise I’d have replaced it already and I’ll use that link from now on.
It wouldn’t matter at all, because it’s just a matter of time before they implement such features and don’t back down.
They’ll just continue shit-testing us until the blowback isn’t enormous if they go this route.
For me at this point I think Steve Huffman would need to step down along with a step back of their changes. I can’t trust the platform given his track record.
