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    Netanyahu: “Please stop withholding weapons and support, please seriously guys cut it out”

    TIME Magazine: “Is Netanyahu dragging out the conflict for political benefit?”

    Biden: “There is every reason for people to draw that conclusion.”

    Kamala Harris: “I will not be silent.”

    Hexbear: “Congress gives Netanyahu Standing Ovation, blood on hands of every US lawmaker, US President personally responsible for tens of thousands of deaths directly.”

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      Did you watch the video?

      Republicans gave Netanyahu a standing ovation.

      Dozens of Democrats abstained, the ones who attended remained seated, and Rashida Tlaib held up a sign that said “war criminal.”

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          As you should. I saw all the memes before watching the video, and was happy to see that it wasn’t the “four-minute standing ovation” I kept hearing about when I finally watched it.

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          Sure, fuck hexbear…but congress literally did give a standing ovation to a mass murderer, there is no getting around that reality. That’s not me, it was literally on NPR. Biden is a staunch supporter of mass murder who has blood on his hands.

          Hexbear being full of tankies doesn’t make it ok to support genocide.

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            Apart from all the members of congress who remained seated, as was already mentioned. I’m guessing neither AOC nor Bernie Sanders stood up and applauded if they were there.

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              Yes, about half of Democrats weren’t applauding like seals. Half still were, which is unacceptable.

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                  No one said it was unanimous. It was still hundreds of sitting members of congress, both democrats and republicans.

                  And people do try to condemn the specific members of our government who support the genocide, like Joe Biden. And you know what happens? People like you pop-up and defend them and deflect.

                  You literally just spent the entirety of yesterday trying to get me to shut up about condemning genocide support and talking about holding genocide supporters politically accountable.

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              Yes, but Republicans are given. Half of Democrats also joined in, that’s the problem. The Democratic party needs to be in opposition to zionism like it’s meant to be opposed to every other form of fascism.

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                It’s not a given. Lemmy is under a constant barrage of comments only attacking Biden and the Dems for supporting Isreal and therefore genocide. The blame is only put on Biden and the Dems.

                Keeping perspective of how much worse the Republicans are in this specific regard if extremely imperious during this election. Being critical of the Dems is fine, but keeping the real context is vital.

                The objective of these users who only criticize the Dems is clear. Stop falling for it.

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              I didn’t equate voting dem as genocide support. If you vote for a zionist though, that is active support of genocide. In that situation you’re signaling to the party that it’s acceptable to have genocide supporters in the party, as long as the other option is “worse”.

              That’s a calculation you’re free to weigh for yourself, but it is still genocide support. Same way voting for an openly racist politician is in support of racism.

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                Have you not received your new talking points yet? Harris is not a zionist afaik.

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                  Being opposed to genocide supporters is not a “talking point” it’s not a “trick”. Genocide is simply against the very core of my belief about how we’re meant to treat other human beings.

                  So when a Democrat supports genocide, I want them out of the party and I see those who choose to ignore that candidates genocidal views as complicit themselves as well since they are responsible for putting that person into as position of power despite knowing the ugly truth. Hopefully that’s clear enough for you to allow yourself to understand. It’s very odd to have to spell it out like this for you though.

                  Harris is not a zionist afaik.

                  Harris does not appear to be ideological like Biden, that is true and a promising sign, but that’s not really related to the point I’m making – while zionists like Biden and his supporters do obviously help keep the slaughter going, one doesn’t necessarily have to be a committed zionist to help fuel the genocide. One could choose to do it for any number of reasons (ex. cowardice, political convenience etc.), we will see if Harris’ actions match up with her rhetoric. She doesn’t get an automatic pass on being a moral human being, this isn’t a cult of personality like the GOP.

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            I find it hilarious whenever I call them that they start wailing about homophobia, lol. Nobody insulted Eva Braun for sucking some guy off, the problem was that it was literally Hitler.

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      Democrats give lip service after months of ongoing escalating protests while continuing to arm Israel. Leftists in shambles.

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    It’s easy to say things in the run up to election. I’ll wait and see what she actually does when/if she is elected

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      That’s funny, I actually think she has to be way more careful on the run-up to the election. After the election she can go ham if she wants . She really can’t yank the carpet out from under netanyahu’s feet before the election.

      Netanyahu is clearly courting Republicans with the assumption that Trump is going to win. That was the gamble that looked a lot more certain from his perspective before Biden dropped out last week.

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          The genocide bullshit you’re talking about. All this “Biden loves genocide” is beyond short sighted and shows you’re plain dumb.

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            well buddy, if you could read you’d see i was making fun of the bots and trolls that post genocide joe shit all day. Instead you chose insults and refuse to answer questions. Where you been? Take the week off?

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      Actual humans glad to finally have a candidate who isn’t a genocide supporting ghoul.

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        No actual humans are not glad, because this is not support for Palestine or anti genocide or anything like that. This is just talk to appease to voters.

        Actual thinking humans can deduce that since Israel had the 100% of support from the democratic party no questions asked, not when bombing children, not when needing funding to attack Hezbollah in the north, this means that the person replacing the president from the same party, while also being the vice president of the current democratic government, will do exactly the same. As has been the case for every major foreign interest of the US.

        There could have been some room for wishful thinking if she was someone new but like, she is the current vice president, the levels of gaslighting democrats are reaching is beyond me.

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    She’s going to say whatever she thinks will get her elected.

    We can’t trust her as far as we can throw her. All this kamala hype is just manufactured by people who spent money.

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      It’s better than standing 100% behind Israel. Either way, I’ll believe it when I see it.

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        All this kamala hype is just manufactured by people who spent money.

        This is the point I was trying to make.

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        All this kamala hype is just manufactured by people who spent money.

        This is the point I was trying to make.

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          I’m not trying to attack or dog pile on you, I just want the rubber meets road pragmatism of what the best action is. What’s the reality? I’m already aware neoliberals will not be progressives no matter how much you believe in fairies.

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              I was asking an honest question, if you’re only about shit posting that’s genuinely disappointing.

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                  I’m all ears. Do you think I’m doing this for the sweet sweet 0 upvotes? Or the fact that no one reads nested comments unless they wrote them?

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    Enough with words. We have had almost 10 months of them. Just another talker I bet.

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      I feel that, but to be fair she’s not in a position to do much more than promise at the moment.

      I think it’s an encouraging sign that she’s not trying to duck the issue, the way she could. That’s not a guaruntee she’ll take real action, but if she’s distancing herself from Biden on this even before she gets the nomination it’s a good sign.

      I think it’s easy to forget just how extreme Biden is on this issue. Harris is your average democrat, but she’s still not ideological like Biden is, most aren’t. Biden went so far as to go around Obama to make promises to Israel when he was VP, I don’t see Harris having that kind of unquestioning desperation to help the right-wing Israeli government.

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        Thank you for explaining your point of view so well, much appreciated!

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      Unlike the other guy who lies with every breath he makes she has not given us a reason not to trust her yet…

      So don’t even compare its not fair at all.

      One is a serial liar, rapist and criminal, and I’m not even exaggerating or being dramatic… just 100% real facts proven in court.

      Wake up.

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        I’d guess they are fully conscious of what they are doing and will happily push America over a cliff for their own sick satification. Ignore them, they are no better then the christo-fascists.

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          On the contrary, do not ignore them. People base their feeling on the group opinion almost entirely on how often they hear a particular argument. They won’t remember that 90% came from 1 person.

          Secondly, unless an idea is actively disagreed with, people (subconsciously) assume you agree with it.

          Take every opportunity to disagree with the idiots. You won’t convert them, but you will sow seeds in the minds of those they might be swaying.

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            It’s a fine line. You don’t want to feed the troll and get yourself frustrated. It may be helpful to rebutt the poster but you should only do it if you can be perfectly infomative and concise. The more you argue with the poster the more onlookers might think both have valid arguments. Most people who are as divisive as seen in the OP have no problem arguing in bad faith. They will move goal post so frequently if you try to defend on all fronts you’ll look like you’re being tossed around.

            Point being, general advise, ignore them. More specifically, it’s OK to rebutt them but don’t expect any reflection on their part.

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          No, I think it’s a perfect place to try out various information warfare strategies and let new trolls get their feet wet before promoting them to Facebook and reddit.

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          Doesn’t have to be. It’s the best insult to anyone parroting nonsense. You’re basically an AI to us. Ignorable.

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            I’m not the OP of that comment nor did I express any opinion on the matter but fuck it let’s do this. Your position is, if I understand it correctly, that people who think that a politician, a group of people famous for making empty promises and gestures especially when running for office, might be making empty promises and should not be lauded for what may just be paying lip service to a hot-button issue, are “parroting nonsense” and “basically an AI” to you. I understand that there are constant proven efforts to attempt to convince democratic voters not to vote, but I think that freaking out over any critique of the democratic candidate is frankly unhealthy for both this platform and for democracy at large. I know the stakes for this election, I was going to vote for Biden and I am going to vote for Harris, but just because we live under a fucked up two-party system and we have to fall in line when it comes to voting doesn’t mean we have to fall in line for the dogma as well.

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    If only she were the current sitting vice president of the United states of America, I.e. was in a position of power where she and the other members of the executive branch could take action as well as “striking a tough tone”.

    Actions, as always, speak louder than words.

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      Oh my god, nothing is enough for you people. She’s literally pushing for an immediate ceasefire and withdrawal of the Israeli military and advocating for a 2 state solution. Isn’t that precisely what we want?

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        No you hit it, nothing will be enough. It’s a childlike view on geopolitics.

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        One state is the real solution. That’s going to take time to rebuild trust. Until then, Biden’s ceasefire agreement and Gaza rebuild plan is a great start.

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          Yeah, the Knesset has signaled in no uncertain terms that they will never support a two state solution.

          A two-state solution is something that sounds good to people who don’t understand the history and the geography, but the reality is that Israel will always be looking to take over the remainder of Gaza and the Westbank. The already have to a huge extent, I don’t think people realize just how much Palestine has been made into swiss cheese. You can’t make a state out of that.

          It’s the apartheid state that needs to end, Israel cannot remain an ethno-state if there’s ever going to be an end to all this. Theres nowhere else on earth that we’d be arguing that it needs to be ethnically “pure”. Palestinians have been in that region as long as anyone, they need to be equal citizens with equal rights.

          Its not a pipe dream, the world pressured South Africa to end apartheid, they can do it with Israel if world leaders actually show some backbone.

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            While I agree that there should be a secular, non-ethno-, state of The Levantine Union or something, there is no realistic path to that that doesn’t start from a two-state basis I don’t think. Palestine and Israel first need to comingle culturally and intertwine economically (in a mutually beneficial manner–not just Israel exploiting Palestinians for cheap hard labor) before any unification can really happen imo.

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          Good luck convincing Israel to fold up because I’m pretty confident you aren’t going to convince Palestinians about that. Or are you advocating for some ol’ two speed citizenship?

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      The Vice President’s only constitutional power is to break ties in the Senate, which is not a very relevant power.

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        Not defending the person you replied to, but the VP still has behind-closed-doors influence on the sitting president. Pretty sure Biden influenced Obama to support gay marriage, when the latter was iffy because much of the public was still homophobic in the '00s to early '10s.

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          She’s already been doing that. But it’s not magic. The only other option for her would be to resign her position but that’s political suicide in the US.

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      Historically the VP has been one of the weakest political positions when it comes to actual power or ability to effect change. Just depends on how much the cabinet/president listen to you.

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      The issue of Palestinian independence has been my longest standing position. I became interested in politics during the second inifada 20+ years ago. It’s been going on longer than that by a longshot.

      This is the best we’ve seen in terms of statements. Let’s let her win before we condemn her for shit she can’t act on.

      If she gets it and continues to pay lip service only, I’ll agree with your cynicism. Gods know I have enough to go around myself.

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      a position of power where she and the other members of the executive branch could take action as well as “striking a tough tone”.

      Ah, here’s where you’re mistaken. The Vice President is not a position of power. They can try to influence the president, like any other cabinet member, but that’s it. They’re effectively ceremonial.

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      Tell me the actual power of the VP? The buck stops at the top. The decisions of the executive are the final word. She is one voice among many in the Whitehouse and she doesn’t pull the levers. She can’t force Biden to do whatever she wants. That’s now how it works. She can suggest, she can inform, she can advise, but ultimately, until January, it’s Biden making decisions.

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        Fuck you mods! They asked AI for a vanilla cupcake recipe: ————————

        Sure!

        Here’s a simple recipe for making delicious vanilla cupcakes:

        Ingredients:

        • 1 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
        • 1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
        • 1/4 teaspoon salt
        • 1/2 cup unsalted butter, softened
        • 1 cup granulated sugar
        • 2 large eggs
        • 2 teaspoons vanilla extract
        • 1/2 cup whole milk

        Instructions:

        1. Preheat the Oven: Preheat your oven to 350°F (175°C) and line a muffin tin with cupcake liners.

        2. Mix Dry Ingredients: In a medium bowl, whisk together the flour, baking powder, and salt. Set aside.

        3. Cream Butter and Sugar: In a large bowl, use an electric mixer to beat the butter and sugar together until light and fluffy, about 2-3 minutes.

        4. Add Eggs and Vanilla: Add the eggs one at a time, beating well after each addition. Mix in the vanilla extract.

        5. Combine Wet and Dry Ingredients: Gradually add the dry ingredients to the butter mixture, alternating with the milk, beginning and ending with the dry ingredients. Mix until just combined. Do not overmix.

        6. Fill the Cupcake Liners: Divide the batter evenly among the cupcake liners, filling each about two-thirds full.

        7. Bake: Bake in the preheated oven for 18-20 minutes, or until a toothpick inserted into the center of a cupcake comes out clean.

        8. Cool: Remove from the oven and allow the cupcakes to cool in the tin for 5 minutes before transferring them to a wire rack to cool completely.

        9. Frost and Decorate: Once the cupcakes are completely cool, frost them with your favorite frosting and decorate as desired.

        Enjoy your homemade vanilla cupcakes. And remember, if you don’t vote in the next election the downfall of democracy will be YOUR fault!