This comment was in response to someone expressing regret about joining .ml if I recall correctly

Edit: I’m convinced all this guy does is camp out in front of his computer and wait for an excuse to abuse what itty bitty power he has.

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    Have you been living under a rock and purposefully avoiding all the coverage of how Israel have been bombing these “open civilian corridors”?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/16/middleeast/israel-palestinian-evacuation-orders-invs/index.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/14/gaza-civilians-afraid-to-leave-home-after-bombing-of-safe-routes

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67114281

    https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-airstrike-kills-women-children-fleeing-evacuation-route-northern-gaza-2023-10

    Maybe you missed the news of how Israel have spent millions of dollars on killing more than 200 aid workers.

    You claim intention is needed. What do you call intentionally shelling the “civilian corridors” they themselves tell people to use?

    They trap them inside, and shell them continuously. More than a 150’000 people have died as just an indirect cause, being denied clean water, food, shelter and medical supplies.

    https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2024/01/middleeast/gaza-hospitals-destruction-investigation-intl-cmd/

    I’ll give you a quick tldr; because I know to won’t.

    20 out of Gaza’s 22 hospitals were damaged or destroyed during the first 2 months, 14 of which suffered direct attacks from Israel.

    What do you think the intent is behind taking out hospitals? I think the intent is to deny medical aid to the hundreds of thousands civilian casualties.

    By everything you yourself have stated. What they’re doing is a genocide. Their intention is to exterminate the Palestinian people. Gaza will be reduced to rubble. Along with everyone in it. And after there’s nothing left and no one can live there. Israel will sieze it.

    This little port you think you can use as proof otherwise is nothing but bare minimum to try and make it seem like that’s not what they’re doing. Like a child pretending to cough so they can stay home from school.

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      Please be aware that Hamas is a terrorist organisation, meaning that they don’t have a strict militia, and they often disguise themselves as civilians. So long as Hamas continues to hide in civilian infrastructure, legally, the IDF can continue these attacks.

      The UN has told Hamas to stop this for decades, but it’s fallen on deaf ears and is likely to continue.

      Likewise, where is your evidence of the 150k figure? Isn’t the figure 38-40k?

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          Not peer-reviewed, not relevant.

          Correspondence: Our readers’ reflections on content published in the Lancet journals or on other topics of general interest to our readers. These letters are not normally externally peer reviewed.

          Don’t use anything non-peer-reviewed as evidence. It’s disingenuous.

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            We will not have any evidence until after the war is over and bodies can start being dug up from under the demolished buildings and infrastructure.

            If you look at their wording they make it clear it’s not “implausible” to believe the current toll including starvation etc is up towards or above 180’000.

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                Gaza had an estimated population of about 2 million people.

                We know that 35% of the buildings in Gaza is severely damaged or destroyed. Very little aid is reaching their target, hospitals are destroyed.

                There is nothing disingenuous about me agreeing with them that it’s plausible that an estimated number of deaths as a result from the war is up towards 180 thousand.

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                    It is based on evidence.

                    Evidence that very little aid is reaching Gaza. Evidence that clean water is difficult to come by. Evidence that 35% of their builds are severely damaged or destroyed. Evidence from previous wars and how the population were affected by similar conditions.

                    With those points of data. Qualified people can make estimations of what they think the number of dead might look like.

                    But there is no evidence to prove the estimation is correct right until after the war is over.

                    What you want to say, is that there’s no proof. Which is correct. There is no proof for the figure. Because again. It’s an estimation. There is a war. We can’t go dig up the bodies just yet

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            You think that is an argument? “Hamas” have used it, that’s it? Hamas has also been using H20 in vast quantities. You gonna stop drinking water too?

            “Are likely very off and purely fictional”, If you were capable of reading it yourself instead of just letting your little AI bot do it. You would know why and how they arrive at these estimates. Since they list their sources and references that lead to their estimates. and what they are attributed to

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      Keep telling that BS to yourself. Your links don’t say anything about Israel bombing those corridors, that’s because there is no evidence about that actually happening at all and the probability is rather that hamas did it.

      The remaining comment is just bant old antisemitism in the cape of Israel critic without any proof, much framing/Desinformation and many feelings.

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        Yes. They do. If you actually read them you would know. For example. In the second link. It’s explicitly stated in the first paragraph.

        A convoy of vehicles carrying fleeing civilians in Gaza that was hit by a deadly airstrike was travelling on one of the two roads identified by the Israeli army as “safe routes” to the southern half of the strip, according to analysis.

        You must have “missed” that.

        It’s funny because any criticism you will drape it as antisemitism. The proof is so overwhelming. Bombing of safe routes, taking out hospitals as a first priority, little by little they are already reducing the strip to rubble. That’s not me thinking they will. That’s them currently doing it.

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            And what makes you think “spinscore.io” is a bias free tool for fact checking or that they even check the facts at all? It’s an “AI” of which you have no idea how it works or what it takes into consideration. As far as we know. It will suggest that you should put glue on pizza.

            What gives “spinscore.io” any credibility at all?

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              Ah yes… Shure i tried to fact check it manually as well and couldn’t find any information about these numbers that didn’t come from the lancet, that’s why i tried tu use a fact check. And that fact check algorithm is actually very accurate most of the time, there are errors because nothing is perfect, but its the most unbiased fact check i know, and thats why i tried to manually check beforehand, wich didn’t have any results about the topic. Just that article i linked you.

              And “As far as we know. It will suggest that you should put glue on pizza.” is just complete mental diarrhea and shows you don’t have any actual arguments.

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                No, your reliance on AI shows you have little to no understanding in what they are and how they work.

                They state very clearly how and why they arrive at these estimations. You have so many references and articles that they link you to, to show you where they are getting the information to come to their conclusion.

                You are really sitting there saying you don’t know how to fact check an estimate. Do you understand what an estimate is? how we reach estimates? What might make them more or less probable?