This wasn’t the first attempt at a solution, this is nearly 80 years of events leading up to something.
Except it’s not. It’s not ‘leading up to something’ like this was some bold, grand strike that’s never been tried before. This has been tried numerous times before, and the reaction from Israel is always the same. This isn’t 80 years of events leading up to something - this is an 80 year pattern whose only change is that Israel seems ready to right and truly finish their genocide attempt in Gaza - or make significant ‘progress’ in doing so.
This may be radical, but you can perform attacks on an occupier without going out of your way to target civilians. Shocking, I know.
Collateral damage happens. Shit happens, especially with a less disciplined and organized force. But I’m not going to pretend that Hamas going in and murdering and kidnapping a bunch of civilians in addition to soldiers is some kind of laudable or acceptable course of action, nor will I pretend that it’s in some way wise or groundbreaking. This is the same old shit that’s been going on for the past 80 years - Israel is just feeling bold enough to respond the way the Israeli right has wanted to for a long time.
Israel was going to commit genocide either way, quietly or loudly. Now they are forced to be loud about it the whole world can see what’s really happening.
What israel has done to Palestinians is far worse than what happened on a single day in October.
You still haven’t said what they should have done, unless thats what you meant by vaguely saying to avoid citizens? If Hamas attacked and killed 1300 Israeli soldiers at a base or something, I don’t think people would be nearly as critical of Israel as they are now.
Hamas exposes how Israel treats its own citizens, by refusing to make any deal for their freedom, and initiating the Hannibal directive on the day of the attack. When Israel says their citizens are better off dead than hostages, you have to wonder what the goal there is.
Israel was going to commit genocide either way, quietly or loudly. Now they are forced to be loud about it the whole world can see what’s really happening.
I’m sure that’s great comfort to the two million people in Gaza right now, that Israel has managed to herd them into concentrated areas and is ruthlessly bombing the entire strip, that they can take solace in that the 40,000+ Gazans killed have been killed ‘loudly’.
What israel has done to Palestinians is far worse than what happened on a single day in October.
… okay? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? This is just more whataboutism.
If Hamas attacked and killed 1300 Israeli soldiers at a base or something, I don’t think people would be nearly as critical of Israel as they are now.
What.
You don’t think that if Israel was committing genocide after Hamas performed an attack in which no significant amount of civilians were killed, the world would be more critical?
Like, “Hamas are shitheads who target civilians” is one of Israel’s best propaganda lines, in part because the best propaganda includes some truth. Holy fucking shit, the idea that killing civilians is the way to get the world on your side is fucking deluded.
I’m sorry that you think that murdering civilians is a legitimate tactic. I hope you get help.
It would be far easier for Israel and the US to frame it as an actual war with the government of gaza. Theres a good chance it would fall just as flat as now, but people I think would be less inclined to ask why Hamas did what they did in that case, or ask what’s going on over there in general.
You are acting like there was a better option and all its showing is how simple you think this all is, like its some TV show.
Like I said ive never been in a position where I would consider hurting someone but I’m going to sit here and act like I know better than the actual people involved in the conflict. Its bullshit virtue signaling, and you have no idea what you would do if you were in their shoes.
Better than a virtue signaling american that uses the world problems to put themselves on a pedestal.
“Oh I understand sweet child, I just would never stoop so low.”
Is that the gist of your position? Still havent explained your novel solution that has yet to be tried numerous times. Why don’t you bring up all the times Palestinians rejected one sided deals from Israel for “peace” while you are at it.
I’m just not being a hyprocrit who says they agree with the Palestinians but knows better than them how to help their people.
This wasn’t the first attempt at a solution, this is nearly 80 years of events leading up to something.
The crowd of people who are using this as an opportunity to hang their perfect morals in front of the general public are cowards.
Except it’s not. It’s not ‘leading up to something’ like this was some bold, grand strike that’s never been tried before. This has been tried numerous times before, and the reaction from Israel is always the same. This isn’t 80 years of events leading up to something - this is an 80 year pattern whose only change is that Israel seems ready to right and truly finish their genocide attempt in Gaza - or make significant ‘progress’ in doing so.
So they should just give up right? What’s the way you would take to achieve peace as a Palestinian living in Gaza?
This may be radical, but you can perform attacks on an occupier without going out of your way to target civilians. Shocking, I know.
Collateral damage happens. Shit happens, especially with a less disciplined and organized force. But I’m not going to pretend that Hamas going in and murdering and kidnapping a bunch of civilians in addition to soldiers is some kind of laudable or acceptable course of action, nor will I pretend that it’s in some way wise or groundbreaking. This is the same old shit that’s been going on for the past 80 years - Israel is just feeling bold enough to respond the way the Israeli right has wanted to for a long time.
Israel was going to commit genocide either way, quietly or loudly. Now they are forced to be loud about it the whole world can see what’s really happening.
What israel has done to Palestinians is far worse than what happened on a single day in October.
You still haven’t said what they should have done, unless thats what you meant by vaguely saying to avoid citizens? If Hamas attacked and killed 1300 Israeli soldiers at a base or something, I don’t think people would be nearly as critical of Israel as they are now.
Hamas exposes how Israel treats its own citizens, by refusing to make any deal for their freedom, and initiating the Hannibal directive on the day of the attack. When Israel says their citizens are better off dead than hostages, you have to wonder what the goal there is.
I’m sure that’s great comfort to the two million people in Gaza right now, that Israel has managed to herd them into concentrated areas and is ruthlessly bombing the entire strip, that they can take solace in that the 40,000+ Gazans killed have been killed ‘loudly’.
… okay? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? This is just more whataboutism.
What.
You don’t think that if Israel was committing genocide after Hamas performed an attack in which no significant amount of civilians were killed, the world would be more critical?
Like, “Hamas are shitheads who target civilians” is one of Israel’s best propaganda lines, in part because the best propaganda includes some truth. Holy fucking shit, the idea that killing civilians is the way to get the world on your side is fucking deluded.
I’m sorry that you think that murdering civilians is a legitimate tactic. I hope you get help.
It would be far easier for Israel and the US to frame it as an actual war with the government of gaza. Theres a good chance it would fall just as flat as now, but people I think would be less inclined to ask why Hamas did what they did in that case, or ask what’s going on over there in general.
You are acting like there was a better option and all its showing is how simple you think this all is, like its some TV show.
Like I said ive never been in a position where I would consider hurting someone but I’m going to sit here and act like I know better than the actual people involved in the conflict. Its bullshit virtue signaling, and you have no idea what you would do if you were in their shoes.
“You don’t understand, we HAD to target civilians for this to work!”
Hamas simp, or Zionist simp? The only difference is what flag they wave.
Better than a virtue signaling american that uses the world problems to put themselves on a pedestal.
“Oh I understand sweet child, I just would never stoop so low.”
Is that the gist of your position? Still havent explained your novel solution that has yet to be tried numerous times. Why don’t you bring up all the times Palestinians rejected one sided deals from Israel for “peace” while you are at it.
Victim blaming bullshit.