- I upgraded pipewire from stable to backports (I want to know
if this is related to my problemwhy essential packages were removed)
Start-Date: 2024-09-18 14:59:02
Commandline: apt install libpipewire-0.3-0/bookworm-backports
Requested-By: dullbananas (1000)
Install: libpulsedsp:amd64 (16.1+dfsg1-2+b1, automatic), pulseaudio:amd64 (16.1+dfsg1-2+b1, automatic), pulseaudio-utils:amd64 (16.1+dfsg1-2+b1, automatic), libasound2-plugins:amd64 (1.2.7.1-1, automatic), policykit-1-gnome:amd64 (0.105-8, automatic), pulseaudio-module-bluetooth:amd64 (16.1+dfsg1-2+b1, automatic), libspeexdsp1:amd64 (1.2.1-1, automatic)
Upgrade: libspa-0.2-modules:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1, 1.2.3-1~bpo12+1), libpipewire-0.3-0:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1, 1.2.3-1~bpo12+1)
Remove: pipewire-pulse:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), pipewire-audio-client-libraries:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), t2-apple-audio-dsp-speakers161:amd64 (0.2.0-1), gnome:amd64 (1:43+1), gnome-remote-desktop:amd64 (43.3-1), pipewire:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), gnome-shell-extensions:amd64 (43.1-1), gnome-shell:amd64 (43.9-0+deb12u2), pipewire-tests:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), gdm3:amd64 (43.0-3), libspa-0.2-jack:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), libspa-0.2-bluetooth:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), pipewire-jack:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), gstreamer1.0-pipewire:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), t2-apple-audio-dsp-mic:amd64 (0.4.0-1), pipewire-audio:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), pipewire-bin:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), chrome-gnome-shell:amd64 (42.1-3), task-gnome-desktop:amd64 (3.73), gnome-session:amd64 (43.0-1+deb12u1), gnome-browser-connector:amd64 (42.1-3), gnome-core:amd64 (1:43+1), libpipewire-0.3-modules:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1), wireplumber:amd64 (0.4.13-1), gnome-shell-extension-prefs:amd64 (43.9-0+deb12u2), pipewire-alsa:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1)
End-Date: 2024-09-18 14:59:35
Start-Date: 2024-09-18 14:59:43
Commandline: apt install libpipewire-0.3-modules/bookworm-backports
Requested-By: dullbananas (1000)
Install: libconfig++9v5:amd64 (1.5-0.4, automatic), libxml++2.6-2v5:amd64 (2.40.1-3, automatic), libpipewire-0.3-modules:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1), libffado2:amd64 (2.4.7-1, automatic)
End-Date: 2024-09-18 14:59:48
Start-Date: 2024-09-18 14:59:57
Commandline: apt install pipewire/bookworm-backports
Requested-By: dullbananas (1000)
Install: pipewire:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1), pipewire-bin:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1, automatic), wireplumber:amd64 (0.4.13-1, automatic)
End-Date: 2024-09-18 15:00:02
- I suspended the computer, and after resume, the lock screen was broken:
- When I clicked on the password field, the text cursor only appeared for a split second, and I could not type in it
- Clicking on the user switch button on the bottom right corner did nothing
- A few times, the text “Authentication error” randomly appeared for a split second, probably for 1 frame
- No way to reboot the normal way, because I could only use the power menu on the lock screen, which only has suspend
- I used the power button to reboot, and instead of GNOME, there was darkness
Debian GNU/Linux 12 dullbananas-macbookpro161 tty1
dullbananas-macbookpro161 login:
- I downgraded pipewire to stable
Start-Date: 2024-09-18 15:20:16
Commandline: apt install pipewire/stable
Requested-By: dullbananas (1000)
Downgrade: pipewire:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1, 0.3.65-3+deb12u1), pipewire-bin:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1, 0.3.65-3+deb12u1), libspa-0.2-modules:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1, 0.3.65-3+deb12u1), libpipewire-0.3-modules:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1, 0.3.65-3+deb12u1), libpipewire-0.3-0:amd64 (1.2.3-1~bpo12+1, 0.3.65-3+deb12u1)
End-Date: 2024-09-18 15:20:26
- I ran
dpkg --verifyand got this output
??5?????? /lib/modules/6.10.9-1-t2-bookworm/modules.alias
??5?????? /lib/modules/6.10.9-1-t2-bookworm/modules.alias.bin
??5?????? /lib/modules/6.10.9-1-t2-bookworm/modules.dep
??5?????? /lib/modules/6.10.9-1-t2-bookworm/modules.dep.bin
missing /usr/share/dbus-1/services/io.snapcraft.Prompt.service
??5?????? c /etc/systemd/logind.conf
??5?????? c /etc/tlp.conf
??5?????? /lib/modules/6.10.8-1-t2-bookworm/modules.alias
??5?????? /lib/modules/6.10.8-1-t2-bookworm/modules.alias.bin
??5?????? /lib/modules/6.10.8-1-t2-bookworm/modules.dep
??5?????? /lib/modules/6.10.8-1-t2-bookworm/modules.dep.bin
??5?????? c /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf
missing /etc/os-release.debootstrap
??5?????? /lib/modules/6.10.7-1-t2-bookworm/modules.alias
??5?????? /lib/modules/6.10.7-1-t2-bookworm/modules.alias.bin
??5?????? /lib/modules/6.10.7-1-t2-bookworm/modules.dep
??5?????? /lib/modules/6.10.7-1-t2-bookworm/modules.dep.bin
- I reinstalled systemd (not sure if this made a difference)
Start-Date: 2024-09-18 15:48:58
Commandline: apt install --reinstall systemd
Requested-By: dullbananas (1000)
Reinstall: systemd:amd64 (252.30-1~deb12u2)
End-Date: 2024-09-18 15:49:02
- I reinstalled gdm3, and immediately without me doing anything else, there was GNOME instead of darkness
Start-Date: 2024-09-18 15:51:49
Commandline: apt install --reinstall gdm3
Requested-By: dullbananas (1000)
Install: gnome-remote-desktop:amd64 (43.3-1, automatic), gnome-shell:amd64 (43.9-0+deb12u2, automatic), power-profiles-daemon:amd64 (0.12-1+b1, automatic), gdm3:amd64 (43.0-3), gstreamer1.0-pipewire:amd64 (0.3.65-3+deb12u1, automatic), chrome-gnome-shell:amd64 (42.1-3, automatic), gnome-session:amd64 (43.0-1+deb12u1, automatic), gnome-browser-connector:amd64 (42.1-3, automatic), gnome-shell-extension-prefs:amd64 (43.9-0+deb12u2, automatic)
Remove: tlp:amd64 (1.5.0-2), tlp-rdw:amd64 (1.5.0-2)
End-Date: 2024-09-18 15:52:05
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End of class
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I reinstalled tlp because installing gdm3 removed it
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After selecting an app search result, instead of a new window opening, an existing window was focused, and this led to me discovering that my built-in extensions were gone
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While writing this post, I got the idea of using the list of removed packages in the apt history log output from
apt install libpipewire-0.3-0/bookworm-backportsto see what packages to install again, so I did that, then I also had to uninstall firefox-esr again -
I rebooted, and my built-in extensions and other stuff were resurrected, so now I have full redemption
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Another Window Session Manager restored my windows in a way that pissed me off
(Failed attempts of recovery are not listed)
Edit: actually I made the mistake 1 minute before the start of class
If only you had timeshift and a CoW filesystem ;) rollbacks are easy peasy then!
Newer versions of apt now have coloured text showing what will be installed (green) and what will be REMOVED (red)
Handy feature for someone like me who also makes mistakes
1 minute before class: the perfect time to mess with Linux audio and video drivers.
This is why I use Debian 12 with minimal backports on my main college laptop. (I just have backports kernel and firmware for the Wi-Fi card as well as backports smartctl due to a bugfix).
Yes, DO AS I SAY!
And this is why you don’t update your system while in the middle of something you need it for
Where’s the fun in that? You’ve gotta raw dog life to get your blood pumping.
^Hey, ^why ^are ^my ^prod ^credentials ^revoked? ^Guys?
This is why I love ostree distributions so much for my laptop. Not only can I safely update in class, I once switched distributions twice in one day of classes with only like 30s of total downtime, I just waited for the professor to go off on a tangent I didn’t need to take notes about so I could reboot.
I do the same with nix, unless I’m fucking with the bootloader I’ll do risky updates because I can always just boot a previous generation
Not everyone has that luxury though
Two things to change if you switch from Ubuntu to Debian:
- Add the systray icon extension from Ubuntu.
- Don’t, please don’t, forget to turn off auto updates
What is wrong with your system that requires disabeling updates?
Been running debian stable on a few hundred servers for 25 ish years.
And I always install and enable unattended upgrades. And it have never been a problem. Not even once.I am capable of running updates myself and I’d rather choose when they happen
Also, Nvidia
When you boot up for a meeting and have to wait 10 minutes for updates to finish. Too much like Windows.
I used to update my laptop in class because my school’s WiFi was so much faster than my home internet.
True, I still think it’s fair to criticize the package managers and distros for not anticipating this common scenario and having the ability to roll back easily. How many millions of Linux users have experienced this issue? I’ll bet a few.
Debian, Gentoo come from another generation and sometimes it shows, I mean snapshots weren’t even a thing yet AFAIK.
This is one of the reasons I love nix. Most of the time if I break it I just roll back, if I really fuck it up I just reinstall, rebuild my config and I’m back
Actually, I don’t think you could break a system in quite this way in Gentoo these days. Portage generally doesn’t remove packages during upgrades (certainly not unrelated ones that would break the depgraph!). It would have exited with (in this case) a message about version conflicts before changing any packages and left it for the user to sort out. Modern versions of portage do a pretty good job of keeping you from shooting yourself in the foot by accident, while leaving you with a lot of leeway for doing so on purpose.
Hard lesson to learn, I’ve been taught the same myself.
Some others have said it already, but I will repeat the gospel, use Timeshift!
I did nearly the exact same thing you did on my Debian laptop at a tech conference right at the beginning of an important session.
I decided to mess around with my wireless drivers. IDK why I thought that was a good idea, I don’t remember what I was trying to do, but I borked my networking stack completely.
couldn’t get it to reconnect, couldn’t get the settings to revert or anything.
I quickly ran Timeshift and selected my most recent automatic daily restore point. 5 minutes later I was back 100% Internet was working perfectly, nothing funky, and I was able to catch up and follow the lecture again.
Timeshift is awesome too because it runs from the command line if you need it to. So even borking your GUI isn’t a death sentence, you can still run Timeshift from the terminal and restore your system.
Yet even without a WM, still better than macOS
Good person! This is how you learn Linux and gain experience. Trying to understand why something happened and trying to fix it using that understanding. Not “just reinstall” or worse “you should use X distro instead.”
And for the full Linux experience do it at the perfect moment, such as when you’re in a lecture or customer presentation!
Bystanders in fearful respect
This doesn’t feel like something that should happen. Like at all. I don’t want experience repairing stuff. I want stuff not breaking. I know mos tpeople here treat a OS like a hobby, but for most people its a tool.
When you do a dist-upgrade on anything but the stable main repos, you’re on your own.
Debian GNU/Linux 12 dullbananas-macbookpro161 tty1 dullbananas-macbookpro161 login:What more do you need?!
Lol but seriously,
Remove: ...gnome-shell...That’ll do it.
You should consider setting up btrfs w/ Timeshift.
It just wanted to remove French, ofc I said yes!!
But also, honestly, I always “-y”.
The gamble is I’ll have to use an earlierbitchtreebtrfs snapshot.And thx for the great commentary on point 13.
This guy doesnt use tabs
As long as you can log into a shell and get root permissions, everything’s fine.
On nixos i managed to uninstall nix (package manager), remove my user account, git, ls, WiFi drivers and basically everything else
I can’t remember how I rescued it now but managed to get it back without a reinstall
I can’t remember how I rescued it now but managed to get it back without a reinstall
You could’ve booted into a previous generation where you still had all those things on your system. The glory of atomic distros :)
I could have done that had I not deleted all previous generations in an attempt to make space for the update
I really wonder how you managed to uninstall nix. Editing configuration.nix shouldn’t even allow for removing .nix…
Anyway, this post made me remember why I used btrfs for my new btrfs system.
Damn, I didn’t even realize that was doable lol. At least the nix part, the rest definitely sounds like stuff I might’ve accidentally done myself while learning the ropes.
as long as you have access to the boot drive everything’s fine, just varying degrees of painful to rectify.
This has some “yes do as I say” vibes
A Linus moment (the other Linus)
You might be interested in reading the Unix Haters Handbook. I mean, that the command to install a backport so easily allowed you to remove core packages without a… Better warning, is an old complaint
