Change still possible with Democrats, Uncommitted movement says
www.middleeasteye.net
The group that began a wave of protest votes during the US Democratic primaries says it is not endorsing a candidate
  • geekwithsoul@lemm.eeEnglish
    554·
    3 months ago

    “But within the context of our broken electoral college system, we know that voting a third party is ultimately inadvertently supporting Trump”

    Wow, that’s going to be crushing news to certain folks who clog our feeds with claims to the contrary.

    On a serious note, I am happy that they recognize this and encourage everyone to pressure the new administration next year to address this. Democrats are imperfect but are at least susceptible to popular and organized pressure. The same cannot be said for the GOP or even more especially Trump. And push for some form of ranked choice voting and getting rid of the electoral college.

  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
    2011·
    3 months ago

    “However, that’s not to say that White House officials or Democratic Party staff have heeded their calls for an immediate and permanent ceasefire, an arms embargo on Israel, and a lifting of the 17-year-old blockade on the Gaza Strip.”

    The White House has absolutely zero control over an immediate and permanent cease fire, or lifting the Gaza blockade, that’s all on Israel to do and they’re not interested.

    We could enact an arms embargo, which would do nothing. Israel would continue producing their own weapons and obtain more from equally “on the outs” nations.

    • basmati@lemm.eeEnglish
      303·
      3 months ago

      That’s a cute thought, but if that’s true, then let’s go ahead and completely stop supporting Israel since we clearly have no effect either way, right?

      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
        312·
        3 months ago

        No, because if we stop supporting Israel, there’s a non-zero chance they’ll go to someone worse for support, like Putin.

        • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
          131·
          3 months ago

          …so your argument is that we should keep supporting a genocidal regime because they might go ask someone worse than us for help? “We need to help them kill innocent people or someone else might” is probably the worst take I think I’ve ever heard from someone outside of the republican party, and it’s a close one on that front.

          • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
            23·
            3 months ago

            Pretty much, yeah, the Evangelical vote requires we maintain support of Israel because Jeebus could come back any day now, whoever alienates them is out, and fast.

    • ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.placeEnglish
      18·
      3 months ago

      They have power all right. It’s quite simple: tell the nazi that he’s on his own. That’s it. The moment the nazi loses his “I’ll call dad” card, we’ll see how well he goes in the territory.

    • BakerBagel@midwest.social
      10·
      3 months ago

      The White House was able to bring down a shit ton of sanctions on Russia after the invasion of Ukraine. There iia no reason they couldn’t do the same after Israel began razing Gaza.

    • Hegar@fedia.io
      123·
      3 months ago

      White House has absolutely zero control over an immediate and permanent cease fire, or lifting the Gaza blockade, that’s all on Israel

      The white house has plenty of influence over israel, they’ve just chosen to green light the genocide and netanyahu’s regional escalation against the advice of our own experts.

      An arms embargo would empower anti-netanyahu voices in israel who could point to his mismanaging of israel’s most important bilateral. It would reduce the rate and kind of weapons the idf could bring to bear against civilians, saving lives.

        • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
          103·
          3 months ago

          Because he knows Biden will support him anyway. If Biden had some balls Netanyahu would never be able to do that shit.

  • OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world
    68·
    3 months ago

    It’s an important point (because as always Trump is worse), but the vast majority of people who criticise the dems policy on Israel already know and acknowledge this. The mole hill of the few people dumb enough to vote 3rd party/vote Trump over this is being made out to be a mountain by people who would rather laser-focus on that small issue than acknowledge that their preferred candidate is supporting a genocide.