• eighty@lemmy.oneEnglish
    1281·
    2 年前

    I can relate to the “how the fuck is being a concerned human being extreme/poltical?” energy in the post hard.

    • LlamaSutra@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      403·
      2 年前

      In Canada it’s starting to become “political” since our morons are egged on by the morons down south.

      • HomoScotian@lemmy.mlEnglish
        12·
        2 年前

        It’s so exhausting, they treat it like a sport, it’s not about making anyone’s lives better it’s all just about their team winning

      • SolNine@lemmy.mlEnglish
        7·
        2 年前

        Well, unfortunately we have more than our share of the brainwashed here…

    • caribou@lemmy.mlEnglish
      8·
      2 年前

      Politics used to be something people engaged in. Now politics is the core to a lot of people’s identities, which means disagreement or debate is perceived as a personal attack and people will embrace a tremendous amount of cognitive dissonance to avoid being wrong.

        • tubbytoad@lemmy.mlEnglish
          3·
          2 年前

          All of human civilizations outside this recent small blip in history in the developed western world.

          • seirim@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1·
            2 年前

            Aye, I wonder if cavemen cared what some minority in the tribe might be doing or just shrugged their shoulders about it. Is it human nature to find it hard to accept? Oh weren’t the Romans ok with it, that was a while ago.

    • Drew Got No Clue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      2 年前

      I despite this “trend” of considering just simple opinions and basic statements as “political”. It’s been watered down and turned into a meaningless tag.

  • empireOfLove@lemmy.oneEnglish
    1042·
    2 年前

    Linus gives exactly zero fucks about saying exactly what’s on his mind. And it’s almost always massively based. He’s always been great about that, we don’t deserve such a great mind.

    • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.caEnglish
      451·
      2 年前

      Was just coming here to say that. The entire Ethos of Open Source is basically the people owning the digital means of production. So some people really not grasp that?

      • OrangeSlice@lemmy.mlEnglish
        132·
        2 年前

        So some people really not grasp that?

        Actually, yes, the original FOSS movement had more right-libertarian roots than anything to the left, although nowadays some might see it as “common ground”.

        • @lemmy.mlEnglish
          17·
          2 年前

          The politics of folks like RMS (personal issues aside) were far above average, but the Free Software Movement was very steeped in liberalism from its onset, and that explains many of of its present shortcomings. Its biggest failing was to believe that Free Software would ultimately win on its merits. In the early days this was understandable, when free software was often playing catch-up to replicate the functionality of established commercial offerings. When the GNU project was just a C compiler you could install on proprietary UNIX systems to dick around with.

          Today though, Free Software is more often than not superior to commercially available offerings, with the exception of some niche industrial segments. But still, Free Software adoption by end users remains incredibly marginal. No matter how many merits Free Software stacks in its favor, the “Year of Linux on the Desktop” never comes. We are still drowning in proprietary iOS and Android phones. The overwhelming majority of PCs still ship with Windows.

          Folks, this won’t change unless we take over the factories where these PCs and phones are manufactured.

      • nbailey@lemmy.caEnglish
        41·
        2 年前

        Sadly, there’s an entire generation of libertarian anti-GPL “open source” developers that think the preservation of free software goes too far.

        • God@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          11·
          2 年前

          … What? I may be dumb. I don’t see how libertarianism is compatible with being anti FOSS.

          • lntl@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1·
            2 年前

            The idea is that for code to truly be free, you should be able to make it proprietary. If you can’t do that, then it isn’t really free. That’s how I understand the idea anyway

            • God@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              31·
              2 年前

              But that’s not being anti, just accepting the possibility of it. Like i consider myself a libertarian and if you wanna make it close source, ok, I may dislike it but I won’t regulate against it. But being anti would imply I would go out of my way to censor your ability to do close source.

              • lntl@lemmy.mlEnglish
                3·
                2 年前

                It’s a GPL license thing. If you make a derivative work of GPL code, you’re NOT free to do what you want with it. This is where the 'anti come from.

                • sydneybrokeit@beehaw.orgEnglish
                  2·
                  2 年前

                  There are two parts to this. On one side, you have the “please follow the GPL if you’re using GPL code” – which is really just asking someone to honor a contract, more or less.

                  Then you have people like RMS, who believe that there should not be such a thing as proprietary software. They don’t care if you aren’t using the GPL – no software should be proprietary, period.

                • God@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  31·
                  2 年前

                  Ah. Well I’m pro theft so just use it and close it if you want and pray for the best! Hide the evidence to not get sued.

            • JerkyIsSuperior@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              2 年前

              I have yet to see an anti-GPL statement that doesn’t boil down to “I should be able to take other people’s work and claim it as my own”.

  • bobslaede@feddit.dkEnglish
    602·
    2 年前

    I don’t see how his, very reasonable, views makes Linux itself (more?) political. What is the point of this post?

    • beepnoise@lemmy.mlEnglish
      32·
      2 年前

      I don’t think the title is good, but I do think it’s notable to some extent. With people having weird, shitty opinions, it’s nice to see someone who is relatively famous in the tech community for having somewhat sane opinions and being vocal about it.

      In my experience, the Linux community has got its own bunch of free speech weirdos who would reject some of these political points (especially the trans position), so I do think in that context it is kind of important.

    • makingStuffForFun@lemmy.mlEnglish
      344·
      2 年前

      The man can say what he wants and it’s nothing to do with Linux. And, his gun stance seems fair to me. I think he is an intelligent man, and I think he’s allowed to say his thoughts without some lame arse trying to tie his ideals to the OS. Move on, nothing to see here.

      • jurrasicjonn@kbin.social
        171·
        2 年前

        This is exactly what I was thinking as well. Why is it so hard for folks to separate what someone creates from the creator? If we found out the person who created, say, the bandaid, was a militant Nazi homophobe who advocated for marriage at the age of 6, should we feel guilty every time we need to cover a cut or scrape?

        Personally, I don’t know much at all about Linus, what he prefers for breakfast, whether he wears slippers in the house or goes barefoot, and so on. He could staunchly advocate that my country do away with its present form of government and declare him dictator for life for all I care.

        I like Linux. I use Linux. It gets the job done. End of story.

        • goddard_guryon@lemmy.ml
          113·
          2 年前

          Giving a medical example for comparison is spot-on since a lot of our knowledge about human body actually comes from experiments done by nazis :)

      • altair222@beehaw.orgEnglish
        132·
        2 年前

        you do realize that linux has very political basing in it, right? do you realize that politics is a structure of governance and hence everything the authority on linux has to say will eventually, if not automatically, affect the project?

    • ElectronSoup@kbin.social
      151·
      2 年前

      I’ve seen people on other sites malding about how this proves linux and the GPL are communist. I suppose it’s important to know just what those people are melting down about this week.

      • Andreas@feddit.dk
        31·
        2 年前

        Surely that already happened in the Code of Conduct drama a few years back? Or the “Linus is rude and difficult to work with” callout even before that?

      • animist@allthingstech.social
        21·
        2 年前

        @ElectronSoup @juergen @bobslaede I feel like the FOSS community has a lot of different types, but the two that stand out to me the most are the Eric Raymond right-libertarian (“I just want to say the n word without repercussions”) and the Richard Stallman vague leftist (minus the creepy shit).

    • Andreas@feddit.dkEnglish
      91·
      2 年前

      Gloating? Complaining? I thought the FOSS community has matured past “creator’s views = views of everyone who uses their creation”, honestly. And isn’t Linus supporting the Democratic party already well known?

    • Lilium@lemmy.mlEnglish
      31·
      2 年前

      Well, there was drama here yesterday about Lemmy’s creator and maintainer being a tankie or whatever and one person trying to say “Lemmy bad” because of that.

      This post doesn’t seem to be here by coincidence.

      • clumsy_cat@beehaw.orgEnglish
        57·
        2 年前

        This post doesn’t seem to be here by coincidence.

        As the person who posted the original post: i don’t like/trust tankies and them being tankies is one of the reason i deleted my lemmy.ml account.

        My impression is that Linus also doesn’t speak in his post about tankies, but instead i think the word “communist” is equal to some general leftist.

        But i kind of agree, that this post can be seen as “in support of tankies”. hmm.

        my impression is, furthermoore: because the more tankie politics is on lemmygrad.ml, an instance which is easily blocked, it is not that bad / could be worse. I kind of hope instances like beehaw.org have the most users someday, because they are really awesome i think

        • Lilium@lemmy.mlEnglish
          18·
          2 年前

          First, not every communist is a tankie, second, yes, Linus is not talking about being a literal communist, but about the “everyone to the left of Trump is a communist” meaning of the word.

          Third, what I was saying is that this post about the political views of the creator of a huge FOSS project is very well timed after yesterday’s discussion about Lemmy’s creator.

        • depreciated_cost@lemmy.mlEnglish
          65·
          2 年前

          I just want lemmygrad defederated. I geniuinely thought the whole instance is satire but holy hell

    • Rod_Orm@lemmy.mlEnglish
      23·
      2 年前

      of course all topics have to do with politics, this is America

  • xenago@lemmy.mlEnglish
    54·
    2 年前

    Linus has always been political and principled, I mean he chose the GPL for a reason! Glad to see him state all of this outright though, it only makes me respect him more.

    • sin_free_for_00_days@lemmy.oneEnglish
      3·
      2 年前

      I could have sworn I saw him saying years and years ago that he probably wouldn’t go GPL if he went back and did it over. I thought it was strange at the time.

    • sin_free_for_00_days@lemmy.one
      6·
      2 年前

      What would you use for a synonym for based? I keep seeing that used. I always thought it was just some alt-right meme bullshit, but I’m learning I was wrong. I still don’t get the use. My mind always thinks “based on what?”

      • ott@sh.itjust.works
        5·
        2 年前

        “Based” is typically used to describe someone who says/does something without caring if they’ll be judged for it. Most commonly, it’s shorthand for “That’s a controversial opinion and you are bold for saying it, but I agree with you.” It turns the previous sentence into an adjective, which is a little weird but it makes sense eventually.

        So if I had to choose a single word as a synonym, I would say “Bold”.

        • sin_free_for_00_days@lemmy.one
          1·
          2 年前

          Bold, all right, yes. That works for me. It’s really been hurting my head reading “based” and not being able to make sense of it. Thank you! Seriously.

  • DidacticDumbass@lemmy.oneEnglish
    453·
    2 年前

    Linus is stellar example of “good is not nice.”

    He will rake you over the coals because he cares about quality and expects better from everyone.

    • guyman@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      2 年前

      Good can be nice. This is just him personally and shouldn’t be seen as a guideline on how to be good.

      • DidacticDumbass@lemmy.oneEnglish
        1·
        2 年前

        I agree! Most good people are nice, it is complemntary after all.

        At the same time, without getting trite, being nice does not make people automatically good, and is often a performance to get away with vile shit.

        To paraphrase another idiom, people who are easily offended should be offended more often. People often dismiss others because they are not “nice” AKA not submissive or servile to their opinions or demands. Oh, this person is “mean” so I get to talk shit about them or ignore them.

        Yeah, not every good person is a good role model, one can always act better than the people they admire.

  • seahorse [Ohio]@midwest.socialEnglish
    486·
    2 年前

    I half agree with his gun regulation stance. While ideally there would be more caution given to who owns guns that is unfortunately not the world americans have been living in the last 80 years or so. The fascists have guns, lots of them, and I’m not giving mine up while they have them.

    Everything else he said is 100% based.

    • Lilium@lemmy.mlEnglish
      514·
      2 年前

      Well, yeah, fascists having guns is a “randomly giving guns to any moron with a pulse” problem.

      • Andreas@feddit.dkEnglish
        113·
        2 年前

        When you’re in power, the fascists are the “morons with a pulse” who don’t get guns, but when they’re in power, YOU’RE the moron with a pulse who loses your ability to defend yourself. The point is to remove the ability of the authorities to decide who gets the right to own weapons, because it can easily be turned against you. Besides, morons obtain weapons illegally all the time. Firearms ownership is illegal in my country (except for licensed use like hunting) but we still have problems with gun violence because of weapons trafficking.

    • workinkindofhard@lemmy.mlEnglish
      112·
      2 年前

      I do think it is funny that there is significant overlap between the ACAB crowd and those that would want to disarm (or at least heavily restrict) the average Joe so only police have access to modern firearms

    • Hexorg@beehaw.orgEnglish
      136·
      2 年前

      Yeah the gun law regulators generally ignore the fact that everyone and their grandma already has guns. And those with guns are not willing to do trade in programs.

      I’d like to see better psych eval and requiring to re-license every so often. That should start steering the country in the right direction. Of course I don’t see this happening any time soon.

      • jiml78@lemmy.mlEnglish
        145·
        2 年前

        The US has no chance of passing anything around licensing of firearms in the short term. We can only hope that Gen Z votes all the gun nuts out of office.

        • The Doctor@lemmy.mlEnglish
          2·
          2 年前

          They can vote against the ammosexuals all they want. Many politicians get money from firearms companies, though, on both sides of the fence, and they all know which side their bread is buttered on.

        • stankbucket@lemmy.worldEnglish
          32·
          2 年前

          Not much of that matters if you can’t get 2/3 of the states to get in line with your re-write and we can’t get 2/3 of the people to agree on anything. Also, there is a wide swath of opinion between what you call “gun nuts” and what other people call “common sense laws.” Very few people are arguing that “any moron with a pulse” should have a gun.

    • rakkhun@beehaw.orgEnglish
      48·
      2 年前

      I think fascists is going too far… they’re crazy and dumb, that’s it.

      • Venus@slrpnk.netEnglish
        4·
        2 年前

        Nah, they’re fascists. Maybe not every republican, but a solid 70% or so of them. And a decent chunk of democrats too.

  • Generator@lemmy.ptEnglish
    431·
    2 年前

    Maybe because he’s not “American” and comes from a country with regulations like the rest of the world, and people care when they vote to make things work.

    And like most of the rest of the world, there are more than two political parties, and is not a drama show.

    • Andreas@feddit.dkEnglish
      383·
      2 年前

      He has American citizenship and lives in America, he’s talking about America here. And I promise you that other countries, yes even those in the magical fantasy land of Europe, also have lots of political drama despite having more than two parties in the government (They tend to form alliances based on left/right and split into two blocks anyway).

      • Generator@lemmy.ptEnglish
        282·
        2 年前

        I know, im from Europe.
        The drama is not compared to USA, we don’t vote on celebrities.

        In my country we even have a party for the animals and climate, so when USA still trying to vote for basic rights, we already ahead and vote for animal rights and more climate change.

        • Andreas@feddit.dkEnglish
          314·
          2 年前

          Yeah no, this “America Bad and backwards 3rd world country while us Europeans are so enlightened” circlejerk isn’t constructive either. The American political system is terrible but a lot of European countries, mine included, are copying their “celebrity drama show” attitude towards politics because of extreme American cultural influence. We shouldn’t deny our own problems.